Are REL the most Musical Subs?


Forgive me if I have created a redundant thread.  I don’t usually post in the Speakers area.

  I have a Paradigm sub in my basement HT that has apparently given up the ghost after about 20 years.  I’m not a huge bass listener.  We used to use the area for movies but lately a different room of the home has taken that over.  I listen to classical music and the system gets used primarily for SACD and Blu Ray.  No desire for multiple subs.  The front speakers are full range, setup is 5.1

  I added a REL sub to my 2 channel system a few years ago, an REL, and have been delighted with the results.  It doesn’t boom at me.  What it does do is add the low level percussion effects that composers such as Mahler, Shostakovich , and modernist composers add to reinforce bass lines.  I never realized, for example, how many gentle tympani and gong effects are in Shostakovich Babi Yar symphony.

The REL integrates all of this naturally without calling attention to itself.  The Paradigm in the basement never did this but it was an older design and more budget friendly.

  So I am inclined to replace the Paradigm with another REL in the basement but was wondering what the current thinking is with subs.  I haven’t paid much attention lately and the stuff that I have pulled discusses multiple subs, Atmos, etc, and doesn’t seem to address my needs.

  Placement will be different as well.  The current sub is placed between the front speakers, and the gear rack is on the other side of the room.  20 years ago I had the energy to bury the cables next to a baseboard heat along the all, after schlepping the sub over the basement testing placement spots,but with advances in DSP I’m now hoping to place the sub next to the rack

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I have owned or listened carefully to subs from SVS, Polk, Klipsch, REL.  I currently have subs from B&W and Monitor Audio.  For two channel listening I prefer high level input over line level, so take that for what it’s worth.

I prefer the sound of the REL subs I’ve listened to (S/812 and T/5x) which I would characterize as being “musical” with “organic” but “fast” sounding bass over the SVS (SB-1000 and SB-4000) which sounded “clean” and slightly “sterile” to me.

I looked carefully at Rythmik subs when I was shopping, and nearly bought one because I like sealed cabinets, need high level and line level inputs, and they have a solid reputation, but I ended up going in a different direction for aesthetic reasons.  I am sure that would be a solid choice.

No matter what direction you go, good bass is expensive, and I have no problem spending as much or more on the subwoofer as on a pair of speakers.  If you elect to buy two subwoofers as many have suggested here, that won’t be hard.

Had three different REL models over the past two decades for my two channel system. Single sub set up only. Definitely a fan. Surprising no one has mentioned the substantial increase in tonal density, imaging and dimensionality with a properly integrated sub creating a far more engaging lisening experience.

For me, that was the "magic" as opposed to additional "punch" and "rattling" low frequency output. Perhaps that explains why REL is considered "musical" and often preferred by those folks who are serious two channel hobbyists.

substantial increase in tonal density, imaging and dimensionality with a properly integrated sub creating a far more engaging lisening experience.

For me, that was the "magic" as opposed to additional "punch" and "rattling" low frequency output. Perhaps that explains why REL is considered "musical" and often preferred by those folks who are serious two channel hobbyists.
 

Recently purchased a REL Classic 98, which sounds more similar to my previous Rythmik F12G. Both added the tonal density and dimensionality that you mention, but somewhat lack that additional “punch” that perhaps SVS and similar subs offer. In light of this, I’ve found that you can have the most impressive sub on the market, but if it doesn’t integrate well into you 2-channel system, it becomes too noticeable over time. I think it also depends on how much that mid bass is desired. Cohesiveness through integration, as well as the convenience of REL’s SpeakOn connector helped with my preference of REL over previous subs. Perception is that the REL is more of an extension of my main speakers than a separate speaker.

I found that the impact of a well integrated REL added density and body to the entire frequency spectrum. Assume / speculate that's hopefully the case with other competent subs 

hi does anyone know about this Allison push/ pull sub they are talking  about ? maybe have photos ? i cannot find any information about it 
Thx ! 
there is a LOT of experience here . respect 
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Jonathan Gourd

There was also a really terrific double push-pull passive sealed sub

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David Moran can find no record of that sir!

Only this 10-in and there was an 8 in as well.

I had thought about remaking one of my al-130s that's been bastardized with a different mid-range to a push-pull sub center channel

How low do the Allison 8 inch woofers go to?

With that electronic subwoofer you can push him down a bit right?

Well if you can find the specs dimensions for that dual push pull sub I can use a pair of Alison woofers did they use different woofers for a sub then?

 

David Moran

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Jack Dale same driver as al130   David Moran
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Jack Dale

I’ll find the brochure

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