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I hate to say it, but now I think maybe I like my amp in ultralinear mode versus triode

It's a Cary V-12; it features a dozen EL34s and each pair has a switch in between them that configures that pair to either triode or ultralinear. In full triode Cary listed in the specs that it makes 50 wpc and in full ultralinear 100 wpc.   For most of the twenty three years that I have owned this amp I have always felt that I preferred triode except for the occasions that I wanted to full out blast (it has literally been many years since I've felt the need to full out blast).

However, today I experimented with a couple of things in my system, and after listening to the same "Jazz Essentials" (compilation) red book CD a couple of times all the way through, the next thing I experimented with was switching to full ultralinear.

Maybe there was more "PRaT"?  (Which is a term I am still not sure that I completely grasp.)  Maybe . . . but what I do feel I noted for sure was that the imaging (particularly the imaging in the center) had more weight (meatier?) and was presented more forward, which I actually like.

I put a few more hours in (one more time with Jazz Essentials, Holly Cole/It Happened One Night, Dave's True Story/Sex Without Bodies, selected tracks from Rebecca Pigeon/The Raven and Once Blue/self titled and Norah Jones/Feels Like Home) after switching to ultralinear.  (No booze during this session, just coffee.) The jury is still out on this, but I do have some CDs in mind that I want to listen to over the next few days as I continue to evaluate.  

immatthewj
immatthewj OP
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@ozzy62 , I will say that reading what the owner/operators of SETs have written about the experience has always sounded intriguing, if not tantalizing.  I sort of have a fantasy about higher efficiency speakers and one of Dennis Had's Inspire setups.  But that ship has sailed for now.  Maybe that is why I was so dead set locked in about triode versus UL--I thought it would be the next best thing?  Maybe.

@frogman your perception of triode versus UL is also interesting.  I suppose the possibility does exist that I am preferring UL at the moment in my sweet spot is due to it being different.  Different is often exciting.

@viridian 

It says right in your owners manual that the designer, Dennis Had, preferred the amp in triode, for whatever that is worth.

Yes it does!  And that may be where the power of suggestion comes in to play and why I was previously unwilling to give UP any serious time beyond ear-bleed rock-out sessions.  I also hate to admit that it was probably Dennis Had who turned me into a fan of Female vocalists.  The power of suggestion again.

@freediver 

I do however believe this is speaker dependent

possibly, and up until this spring I was always using the V12  in triode to drive a pair of B&W 805 Matrixes.  

@elliottbnewcombjr 

I remember a convesration we both particiapated in about someone's SLI80.  I believe you made a reference to face slapping when I stated I preferred my V12 in triode.

immatthewj OP
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@silverfoxvtx1800 

wow!  I had a pair of ARC VTM120s that intermittently blew grid resistors on start up.  And I thought that was bad!  Those ARCs were pussy cats and replacing grid resistors was a minor inconvenience compared to what you just described.

jimmyblues1959
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It's always a pleasure to read about a fellow hifi enthusiast who has owned and enjoyed decades of music through their gear! 👍

elliottbnewcombjr
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OP wrote

@elliottbnewcombjr 

I remember a convesration we both particiapated in about someone's SLI80.  I believe you made a reference to face slapping when I stated I preferred my V12 in triode.

I have no recall, was I rude? Mean? I've regressed to teenage behavior?

 

immatthewj OP
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@atmasphere 

which is why you can't use the same output transformer with EL34s and 6L6s unless there is a tap for each tube type.

I am not arguing with you because I have already admitted that I am rather cluelss about how this stuff works,

but in the manual for the V12, Dennis Had is saying that tubes that can be roled in this amp include;  6L6, KT88, 6550, KT90, KT66, "even 6V6."

Again, with not intent of being argumentative, does this sound incorrect?  (I was actually asking @decooney  if he had rolled any tubes besides EL34s as I do have some 6550s for another amp, and I can bias the V12 for just two tubes aside.)  Reaching out to Dennis, who is no longer with cary, about an amp he made over 20 years ago is probably a dead end, and as far as this goes, I definitely want to stay on the "better safe than sorry" end of any deal.

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