Subwoofers - Final Thoughts with Martin Logan ESL 13A

a few bass tracks that you might enjoy and help you figure something out.

I just moved my Sumiko Talisman S Cartridge with it’d stiff Sapphire tube cantilever to my ’fixed’ long arm.

I’m gonna listen again to ascertain if it has a speck tighter bass than my AT33PTG/II playing Cecil, Mila, Niels/Sam

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_Spaces

mila drumke, my funny valentine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukrNpHCDSjc

double bass, niels and sam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Jvz_hcTZ9k

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I am big on Imaging, and would try a stereo pair of subs, front firing, located next to the FL and FR, knowing that the fundamental notes begin mono, however the overtones become directional. I am not a fan of ports, if so, front firing only, and try stuffing them.

audiophile1 mentions the historic difficulty matching subs with electrostatics. I think I might try and find a high quality crossover dedicated to the job, one I could return for full refund. when you take the low bass job away from the panels, both location and seamless blend become even harder.

I’ve never heard a Swarm, but aren’t they for larger spaces? Use with speakers that have large woofers, that already give low bass/overtones directionality, the swarm for ’missing’ very low foundation?

I think of my 15" woofers as built-in stereo subs, I get the advantage of 6.83 cubic feet by using the same/larger cabinet as the horns.

@elliottbnewcombjr thank you for your advice and the bass tracks. I’ll hunt them down on Tidal later today!

I am not much of a techie, so could you explain to me more or attach a link regarding what to look for in the way of a "Dedicated Crossover"? How does it work?

You also mention a stereo pair of subs, do you have a recommendation? Would the KEF KC92s work for this? And would they be on the inside or the outside on the FL/FR speakers?

@elliottbnewcombjr - opps! The KEFS are not front firing, so your suggestions?

here is a 3 LP set, wonderful music, not just demo tracks

The BASS, 3 LP Box Set

@elliottbnewcombjr Thanks, I already have the Niels & Sam CD!