Streamer apps critical


I don't understand why high end manufacturers release streamers with terrible apps. One of the strongest advantages of the Nodes is the BluOS app. It's simple and effective,  though not full-featured. I understand the Innuos app is great. Not all of us like much less want to pay the cost of ROON and the online apps, like USB audio Player are clunky. I would love to see a paid-for version of BluOS or other manufacturers license a common but customized app, much as early versions of Windows were available from Dell, Gateway, Compaq and so many others. 

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My experience with the apps on the multiple streamers that I have owned or had a chance to borrow has been:

1. Streamers OWNED for multiple years (Auralic Aries and Aries Mini):  Auralic Lightning DS: very good; no complains

2. Streamer CURRENTLY OWNED (Eversolo DMP-A6):  Eversolo app is at least as good as Auralic Lightning DS

3. Bluesound Node borrowed and used only as a streamer:  App was generally better than the Auralic or Eversolo apps, but two bugs (Benchmark DAC compatibility via USB and album art size limitations at that time) caused me to return the product.  Disappointing.

4. Wiim Ultra borrowed and used only as a streamer:  App was unacceptable.  1.  Cannot search across streaming and local (NAS) content (deal-breaker);  2.  Album art on local content would not appear regardless of a number of attempts to change some relevant settings on my NAS.  Note that both of these items work perfectly on the Eversolo and Auralic apps.  Overall system response of the Wiim Ultra was much slower than the Eversolo and Auralic streamers, but this might be hardware related.

My verdict:  The Eversolo app is the winner by a very small margin.  The Auralic app is also very good.  More or less a tie.  Also, both apps are extremely stable.

I have never tried Roon, but the idea of having to run a separate to computer as a core is totally unappealing to me.  My preference is to use a streamer with an app that does its best to not get in the way!

I think most people like what they started with and got used to using.  Brand loyalty with things like TVs cars etc is high because people are comfortable using them.  Easy.

But in my trusted (by me) opinion Roon is by far the easiest to use, easiest to organize music between different streaming sources or hard drives, does the best job at selecting music for you, and super important, is portable between most streamers.  So you can use Roon on an Aurender for example,  have tons of playlists, bookmarks and favorites, and transfer it all seamlessly to an Auralic or Innuos or Antipodes or Pink Faun or Taiko. You can’t do that with any other proprietary app. I have or have Grimm MU1, Aurender N20, Auralic Aries and imbedded bridge in my Tambaqui.  All can run Roon.  

NowI am not saying Roon easily sounds better than say Conductor, but it can be optimized to sound great.

$500 for a lifetime of my music software is a deal to me.  Roon is not perfect with their support philosophy or hardware, but it works for me!

An App that does not get in your way?  That would be one that searches music easily across streaming sources, makes playlists and bookmarks across streaming sources, and recalls what you want quickly and easily. And it can serve streamers of different brands at the same time, say if you have a Bluesound in the bedroom and an Aurender in your reference system.  That would be Roon.

Yes @rizzo1234 ,  a separate computer to run Roon is an issue.  I had a Roon Nucleus+ and it was a pain…plus a power cable and network connection.  Now my Grimm MU1 is both Roon core and streamer.  Works and sounds fantastic.   Admittedly this setup is significantly more than a Node or Eversolo or Wii.  But it sounds better, and Roon was portable for me during my entire upgrade path.   I started with a Mac mini, then several Bluesound products, then Auralic.Vega, then, Auralic Aries streamer into Tambaqui.  

Audirvana is another very nice app, I used it for years, thought sound quality just a bit more analog in direct comparison to Roon at the time.

 

I've also used my Euphony OS Stylus app with present setup, sound quality about on par with Roon. I also have option of Stylus and Roon with embedded HQPlayer.

 

Having direct experience with all these apps in both single streamer or bridged modes (Roon core on server, Endpoint on streamer) I most prefer Roon sans HQPlayer in bridged mode.

 

I will posit music player app sound quality very closely allied to the equipment its being used with. These native music player apps have the advantage of being designed in league or specifically for that single streamer. Roon, HQPlayer, Audirvana, J River, etc designed to work with all streamers so completely logical that sound quality all over the place. I know most of these generalist apps require powerful processors, much RAM, great network to work their best, people have issues because their setup hasn't been optimized for these apps. I've paid great attention to every single link in my streaming chain in order to extract max potential from Roon, high end vinyl like presentation is the result. IMO there are many paths to reach the summit, no single music player app is the undisputed champion of the world.

@ghdprentice point well taken.  I do wonder just for the heck of it, what computer language is used these days for most of these streaming apps. Is it something like Python or do they still use C++ or something entirely different? My days of programming are long over, having started with Fortran in the 1970s.