Which company manufactures this Ethernet switch for the other?


I am looking to buy an "audiophile" switch to isolate my audio and video connections from the main switch in my home. One important consideration in my decision is cost;  another is that this AV Ethernet switch must have 8 ports to accommodate all my audio and video equipment. I have done as much research online as I can, with the result that I found two products that especially appealing: the English Electric 8Switch and the Silent Angel Bonn N8.

Studying their constructions, features, and components, these two Ethernet switches seem so similar that with the exception of one being 10mm higher than the other (their widths and depths are the same) that these two appear to be identical. 

Consequently, I am asking -- does anyone know whether Silent Angel OEMs this product from English Electric or vice versa? OR, is this just an extraordinary coincidence?

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@jmeyers, how much are you willing to spend on a dedicated network switch? If price is no object then I’d definitely recommend that you look into the Network Acoustics tempus - Precision Ultra Low Noise Ethernet Switch. Rob Osbourne and Rich Trussell are some of the most considerate and attentive folks in the audio gear biz that I’ve ever dealt with. They both took the time to answer every dumb question and email from me no matter how ponderous.

I’m still using their now discontinued 1st gen eno streaming system Ag in my headphone setup, and I can only imagine how great their new stuff sounds.

 In my experience with the English Eight and the SA Bonn switches, neither one had a better impact on the sound in my system than the Cisco SG 250 switch that I’m presently using in sequence with another readily available D-Link switch which I bought on Amazon. 

Let's see, these Ethernet switches support 100/1000 Base-T gigabit, which means the signal travels point-to-point over twisted pairs at speeds of either 100 million bits per second, or 1000 million bits per second.  This is much faster than Redbook Compact Disk needs which is about 1.4 million bits per second.

Please note carefully that Ethernet is not slowed down to match the audio rate! Instead the audio stream is chopped into packets up to 12,000 bits long (Gigabit can have non-standard longer packets if both ends agree!).  This means there is much more silence on an Ethernet Link than signal, punctuated by very short bursts of signal.

Each packet starts with a preamble, then the address of the sender and intended receiver (these are the Media Access Code or MAC addresses and are globally unique).  Finally, there is a cyclic redundancy check which allows corrupted packets to be detected.

The preamble is 56 bits alternating between 0 and 1 which allows the receiver to match the clock rate of the sender. 

When the receiver has to turn the packets into an audio signal, it has to assemble the incoming packets into a memory buffer, and then clock them out at a much slower rate which has nothing to do with the clock rate of the Ethernet!

Ethernet is essentially a broadcast technology, so all a connection box needs to do is listen to any transmission and broadcast it on all other connections.  This is what an Ethernet Repeater does.  An Ethernet Switch is slightly smarter - it looks at the MAC addresses in each packet and works out which physical cable connects to each address.  Then it only has to forward a packet down one cable (OK there is an exception for a broadcast message where the receiving address stands for all addresses).

My conclusion: jitter in an Ethernet switch is inconsequential because the audio stream has to be re-clocked from a memory buffer anyway. Errors in the digital payload are always detectable.  If you can hear a difference between switches, be suspicious of the EMI they are generating which affects your other components.

Pretty amazing the stream goes through all of those channels and circuits and you get music on the other end.  

@richardbrand 

This video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FFTdt51kzA  also contends that there is no issue with jitter at the ethernet part of the system, but that there may be noise issues an ethernet switch could address.  Another way to do that, as I understand it, is to use devices that convert ethernet to fiber optic and then convert the fiber optic to USB for input to an audio device.

@drmuso 

The video absolutely refutes that jitter is a problem with Ethernet.  I tried to show why this is true!

Further, why anyone would want to convert Ethernet to USB is beyond me, unless it is the only thing the poor audio device can connect to.  There are many versions of USB to confuse matters more.  At least Ethernet is designed to be a local area network spanning entire buildings!  

There is really no merit using fibre-optics instead of twisted pairs for either external electrical noise-rejection or to reduce EMI from the cable.  We are talking GHz frequencies!

But an Ethernet switch is a switched logic device and just may inject nasty electrical noise into your other components via the power supply.