Would I be wasting my money to get a turntable?


I am thinking about getting a turntable but I have a Class D amplifier (Nad M33) which digitizes all the analog inputs. If the amplifier is just digitizing the source is there going to be any difference between the vinyl and just listening to lossless digital streaming sources? Is there any benefit to me, given my current amplifier with has no analog pass through capability, to adding a turntable to my system?

fritzenheimer

I think it’s not so black-and-white whether class D is or is "not" digital. Sure if you’re getting into a semantics war, it doesn’t meet the criteria of digital quantization and conversion. But some of the elements / patterns are certainly there, and I think @dlevi67 is correct to point them out.

Anyways, in true Audiogon fashion, this sidebar isn’t even fully relevant to OP because the preamp stage of his M33 converts ALL analog inputs to digital (ADC), before it even hits the class D amp stage. Maybe it can directly convert that to the necessary PWM without an intervening DAC stage - that might mitigate the issue I had with the separate M12 + M22 combination's SQ?

I am  shocked by some of the misunderstanding about class D out there. 

Jerry

@carlsbad2 Tell us more.

@glennewdick

there is no digital (I.e. code) in a class D amp, period. your confusing the differences here.

I’m sorry, but the one who is confused is you. The technique used in class D (which I agree does not stand for ’Digital’) is the same PWM (or other pulse-based modulation) used to convert an analogue signal into a digital stream for CD or other digital medium and back into an analogue format. Neither more, nor less. If there are ’digital sound quality’ issues due to quantization or filtering, they would emerge in this transformation neither more nor less than in an ADC converting an analogue signal.

The fact that potentially the only operation performed on the pulse stream so obtained in a class D amp is amplification, and it is not treating the digital stream in other ways, is neither here nor there: they are 1s and 0s whether you like it or not: the transistor is either saturated or cut-off, and in fact any use in the linear zone is not only not-favoured; it is discouraged and unwanted. The analogue signal is not recoverable unless you use the same techniques to demodulate and filter the pulse stream that are used in a DAC (obviously with much higher currents and voltages, but again that is irrelevant).

I’d suggest you get a degree in EE, then perhaps we can google together from the same basis of understanding.

What do you call the conversion of an analogue signal to a PWM/PDM or ΔΣ modulation and its subsequent filtering to recover an amplified analogue signal? Because if that’s not digital, then CD is not digital and streaming is not digital either. However, that’s exactly what happens in a class-D amp, at some point. The filtering is at the very end, but the signal conversion can happen at the amp input or just before the final (current) amplification stage.

In class D amplifier "Voltage" is converted to "Duty Cycle", both analog - meaning there is no discrete steps (unlimited resolution).  Duty cycle is back-converted to (amplified) voltage by filtering.  Streaming and CDs both have limited resolution (16 bit in CDs).

Output-signal pulse widths vary proportionally with the input-signal magnitude.

Guys we are an NAD dealer the m33,does indeed digitize an analog signal in order to use DiRAC Room Correction for all sources.

 

so your answer is the analog input will sound different then streaming but if you want to hear the best in analog I would trade in the m33 and go up up to the nad M66 which has a true analog Preamp as well as an improved dac.

 

Dave and Troy Audio intellect NJ

Nad masters  dealer