Question about high current amps versus "not high current amps"


Recently I read a reply to a post about a certain speaker, and the person who replied typed that (and I am going to paraphrase somewhat) the speaker required a high current amp to perform well and it wasn’t the WPC that was important.

Sorry as I am afraid that these are probably going to be  "audio electrical questions for dummies," but here goes:

I vaguely remember being taught the PIE formula, so I looked it up online for a quick review and if I am understanding it correctly,

P (power/watts) = I (current/amps) x E (electromotive force/voltage) .

My first question would be: if I am understanding that correctly, how can wpc NOT matter since watts are the sum of current x voltage? I mean if you have so many WPC, don’t you then HAVE to have so much current?

My next question would be, if I am understanding PIE correctly, is E/voltage going to be a fixed 110 vac out of the wall, or is that number (E) determined by the transformer (so it would vary by manufacturer) and it is that (different transformers that are used in different amps) going to be the difference between a high and a lower current amp?

Or am I completely off base thinking that P is wpc and P is actually the spec in my owners manual that lists "power consumption as 420 watts operate 10 watts stand by"?

And lastly, what would be an example of a high current amp and what would be an example of a low current amp?

Thanks.

 

immatthewj

Hi, high current amplifier is one that is designed to deliver large amounts of current (amperes), when needed, typically low impedance speakers. They have very robust power supplies -- i.e. large transformers, capacitor banks, high-performance transistors, etc.
Specs such as doubling (or near doubling) power as impedance halves, big cooling sinks for heat dissipation are telltale signs of high-current designs.

If oyu have low impedance speakers or listen to dynamic music (e.g. orchestral) you need such an amp.

Most high-end amplifiers are high current, some higher than others. Tytpically, Krell, Symphonic Line, CH Precision, Boulder, FM Acoustics, Vitous, Gryphon, etc are high current.

 

Let me start from the easiest of your questions: power consumption is largely irrelevant to the issue (except... more on that later).

The relevant value for E (or V) is the internal voltage of the amplifier power supply, not what comes out of the wall socket/receptacle. That 'E' is specified to provide a certain amount of power to a load, which in domestic audio is generally taken to be an 8Ω resistor. Hence the typical specification of (say) 50 Wpc/8Ω.

Note that in a resistor, electromotive force and current are linked by Ohm's law, which says:

E = I * R (where R is the resistance)

now, if you replace that into the 'PIE' equation, you get:

P = E²/R = I²R

so, assuming a load of 8Ω, a 50 wpc amp has to provide

E = √(50*8) = 20 V of internal voltage

I = √(50/8) = 2.5 A of load current

So far, so good; the designer specifies a power supply and final stage that can provide 2.5 A and 20 V, and everyone is happy.

The problem - and it can be a problem - is that loudspeakers are not resistors: the 'resistance' (more appropriately impedance) they present to an electrical current varies with the frequency of the input signal, and it can be much lower or higher than the nominal (most commonly 8Ω or 4Ω) at certain frequencies.

For example, let's assume that speaker X has a minimum impedance of 2Ω at 200 Hz, vs. a nominal impedance of 8Ω (usually at 1 kHz). What happens to the current then, when the amplifier is fed a 200 Hz input signal such that the output is driven to its maximum?

Well, the voltage is still going to be 20V, and Ohm's law still applies:

I = E/R = 20/2 = 10A

That's four times our initial specification. This can spell trouble for both the power supply and the final stage, particularly if this is sustained over significant periods of time. The designers can take precautions (protection circuitry) to prevent damages, but that may mean sound quality degradation and/or shut-down.

Alternatively, the designers can incorporate in the specification the ability to provide (at least temporarily) much higher currents than the standard, continuous Wpc/8Ω would imply. This is a 'high current amp'.

Where does 'consumption' power come in? Well, typically that is calculated as the maximum (continuous) power that the amp will draw - note that in the case above (E = 20V, R = 2Ω), P = E²R = 200W

If the amp is capable of providing indefinitely 200W to a 2Ω load, then the consumption power has to be at least that much (plus inefficiencies and 'overhead' power needed to manage other functionality e.g. power meters, lighting).

Finally, an example of a high current amp - Accuphase E800 (50 Wpc/8Ω; 100 Wpc/4Ω; 200 Wpc/2Ω; 300 Wpc/1Ω). A low current amp - AudioNote P1 (9 Wpc/8Ω; 9Wpc/4Ω; no information on lower loads, but, given the design, power is likely to go down rather than up). Note that what matters is not the 'starting number' of Wpc, but how much they go up - or not - with decreasing load impedance.

There's a lot more to explore on amps design and power specifications, and the above is necessarily approximate, but I hope this short novel at least answers your initial questions.

A Coda 16 has 280,000 uF of capacitance and can deliver 100 amps of current, per channel. 

A Gryphon Essence stereo has 440,000 uF, so can probably deliver more, note that is described as a 50 wpc amplifier. 

Going off the top of my head, I recall many years ago that a low end Sony home theatre receiver was labeled as a 100 wpc 5 channel receiver. When actually tested with all 5 channels running it produced 15 wpc. It probably had the same power supplies as a modern audiophile level DAC, needless to say it was not a high-current design. 

I didn't read the wordy versions above, or I quit at the first incorrect statement in each of them.  Here is the simple version:

 

Amp WPC is a rating taken at nominal resistance, that is, optimal conditions.  

Now if resistance goes down, to keep voltage constant, amperage has to go up.  If amperage can't go up (low current amp), then voltage, and therefore power, will be limited by the capability of the amp.  thus you need an amp capable of providing high current for speakers with low impedences.

Jerry