speaker upgrade fever


I'm considering a speaker upgrade to compliment my Aesthetix Mimas integrated. Currently, I've got KEF Ref 1 monitors paired with (2) REL S/3 subs. Must stay away from bright, analytical and clinical presentation. Room size 12'x19'. Music is jazz, acoustic Americana, Chamber, symphonic etc. 

Looking at the ProAc K1, Triangle Duetto and the DeVore o/baby. Also, a huge departure, Vandersteen Treo CT, floor standers. I understand Vandersteen pairs well with the Mimas.

Always open to suggestions, happy to buy quality used and demo.

Budget, ~$8-$11K

larseand

Totally Left field idea,

https://www.amazon.com/Behringer-Ultragraph-Ultra-Musical-Equalizer-Detection/dp/B0002E50XG/ref=sr_1_9?crid=CPAVWE9P5W1F&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.NWtTZ56yzcD1tYonm-EJheUPOqWH1jywTfK7-OSsrUJGEIiWHBygb4qeXQcHl9UiTaGmCIyxzRlesYeeZ0rV3WA3uQzGItZe3Ig1Z6-MzdERrL0vCahDWUAFh5rg2lMEuVWEA29WlF7ruECBpOq3195P-JwEKMdtQbIRzLmRRZgXvkKCQdD73QdQ8CBERsLrD7M5fo6-O637p9xzENKpKEC-mX3qHmJ5Uij4ky619ds.pmBUwsiJpZDaU3KDuLnxodHdPYi6hNOEnu_eylmyang&dib_tag=se&keywords=31+band+eq&qid=1738080943&sprefix=31+band+eq%2Caps%2C181&sr=8-9

For $200 and REW Free software  you can play with your existing speakers EQ.   This would allow you to see what your speakers are actually doing in your room. With that information you can compare any new speaker frequency response to what you all ready have, or with EQ changes a goal response rate.

Keeping the Behringer in you system is totally optional in the future but can be a useful tool for where you are now

Good Luck and Enjoy The Music

for example my comments about the KEF R1 were in a reasonable sized room w a lot of bric a brac diffusion… a very well sorted high quality SWARM and a chain : SOTA > Jelco > Dyna XV-1S > Cary top of line tube phono > Herron line stage and monoblocks… the Digital side 100 % Rockna….

a major dude music lover…. he did trade the for a Gershman..

maybe he will weigh in here…

I don't have any experience with the speakers you mentioned, other than the KEF Reference 1s, which I thought were going to be my forever speakers. 

A few comments - the Ref 1s are anything but "bright".  Not in my system, or in two other friend's systems.  I'm quite sensitive to anything bright.  They are very neutral, and if anything, on the warm side. 

I know the person mentioned in the PS Audio forums that went from the Ref 1 and the FR5s and have listened to their system with both speakers.  The FR5s are more "lively", which for me would have probably translated to "bright" over time.  The ribbon tweeter created a really large soundstage, which is something the KEFs also excel at.  My friend likes them better, I probably would have stuck with the KEFs.  A matter of taste.  The cool thing is that PS Audio has a generous return policy, so you could try them for up to 30 days and return them.

The only speakers in that range that made me want them over the Ref 1s (besides my Gershman Studio XD) were Joseph Audio Pulsar Graphenes.  I'm sure there are other speakers that I haven't heard that are "better" also.  

As much as I love the Gershman Studio XD, I'm not sure I'd recommend them with the Mimas.  They have a similar sensitivity rating to the Ref 1, but are much harder to drive. I had 160 watt monoblocks and they couldn't quite wring out the best from the Gershmans. I replaced them with the PS Audio M1200 Stellar 600 watt monoblocks and am now a happy camper.  The JA Pulsars are easier to drive.

Disapointig to hear the KEF Reference Series are on the bright side, errr maybe not bright back lacks warmth is a better way of saying it.  I think the KEF Reference are beautiful looking speakers.  I haven't heard them, but the Rosso Fiorentino speakers, Arno 40, are said to have a lot of clarity but are warm.  Perhaps the best of both worlds.  

I've narrowed my search down to the JA Pulsar 2 G and a the Harbeth 3.1s Both are used priced fairly. 

Interesting thread with lots of insight. One comment had to do with all the equipment affecting how speakers sound which is deserving a lot of attention as well.

Disappointing when the dealers don’t have a wide variety of products to choose from.

The whole audio Business needs to rethink how they display and market their products when the users are very limited and hearing a variety of gear is hindered.