12au7 tube?


Looking for a good 12au7 (JJ ecc802s currently). I know the Telefunken ECC802s is the holy grail, but it comes at a price that is just too steep for me to justify. Many will recommend Mullard, but I always find them a bit too "wooly", lacking in definition. They're going in a Mastersound 845 Compact.

 

What tubes would you recommend that fits between the clarity of the Telefunken (without the price...) and the Mullard? I don't mind spending a bit of money on a pair (let's say max $500 for the pair, prefer to be lower if at all possible).

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I like Telefunken very much. Always found them to be very open and musical. They last for yrs. In fact all of my tubes, doesn’t matter what brand last and have never worn out. The only tube I remember having problems was the Sylvania triple mica black plate 5751.  It’s maybe considered one of the top 5751’s but for me always had a high failure rate.  Even all my power tubes have lasted these 30yrs because I have several amps and I use all my amps so my tubes have never failed except for going faulty.  I like the 6SN7 tube and I have a lot of the true Sylvania Chrome  Domes made in 1952-53 which is a really nice tube.   Also have the 1940’s Holy Grail 6SN7 Tung Sol round plate smoke glass.    For me, I liked many many of the different vintage 12au7’s including the Mullards but my favorites were the Amperex.    I felt Amperex had everything all in one tube. There are many different versions of Amperex 12au7’s, I liked Old World Logo and the 7316.

I'm also going to test different 6sn7's. I already have a pair of Sylvania 6SN7GTB Chrome Tops and I'm getting a pair of Melz 1578's (which likely will take quite some time to arrive since they're coming from Ukraine). They're kind of on two different sides of the spectrum where the SYL is a bit darker and with better bass and scary good midrange than the 1578 which is supposedly a bit brighter, super detailed and widest/deepest sound stage, but lighter in the bass.

 

I'll keep posting my findings as I get some time to do a proper run through them all (and all combinations...)

I never thought the Sylvania GTB was anything special. Very warm midrange and extended top. I liked the Raytheon 6SN7 WGT brown base which is a really nice sounding tube. For 12au7’s, I liked Raytheon’s, RCA black plates, Valvos, Brimars, didn’t like many Siemens because in my circuits they sounding bright. 

Yeah, GTA / GTB variants aren’t as good sounding as most of the older 6SN7GT tubes. You would need a GTA / GTB for 2 reasons:

  1. Your tube slot (usually preamp or phono stage) is particularly sensitive to noise and microphonics. GTA and GTB tubes tend to be a LOT less microphonic than older GTs. Especially quiet are Sylvania chrome tops with the angled plates.
  2. Your amp slot specifically calls for a GTA / GTB because it’s running a higher plate voltage and/or dissipation than spec’d for GT or 5692 (this one is even lower spec’d than GT so watch out). Sometimes driver slots in amps do this - like VACs, which specifically label these slots "GTB". You can often "get away" with running a GT or 5692 past its spec’d limits, but they might not last as long. Adding to the confusion: New Sensor makes an Electro Harmonix 6SN7 without "GTB" labeling, and a Tung-Sol variant that is labeled "GTB" - but they both have the SAME datasheet specs. Fortunately, it’s the higher GTB spec, so these are both safe for use in strictly GTA/GTB slots.

If you find you really need GTA / GTB (these are the same for audio applications), you might look for older 1950’s Sylvanias with deeper chrome tops and (sometimes) tall bottles. Sylvania really started cutting corners on production costs & quality in the 1960s. Their tubes also lost their beautiful midrange, sadly. Then they became Philips ECG and at that point, they practically sound like solid state devices.

@audiojan also try some RCA 5814’s with your Sylvania’s. They are warmish but seem to go nicely with the Sylvania’s I’ve tried in my preamp.