I think the title to this thread overstates the issue. Obviously the room is very important, but it's only a make or break situation if the listener makes seriously unwise choices in loudspeakers. It involves trade-offs. If you want full range and loud you will need to utilize acoustical treatments. If you only listen at moderate levels and you're willing to sacrifice some deep bass, then you'll need less treatments, if any. Additionally, if you set up a true near field arrangement you can greatly reduce the need for acoustic treatments. Plus, there are loudspeakers that are actually designed to control and/or reduce room interactions. Gradient, Snell, Klipsch, Kii, Lyngdorf and others have some interesting designs. It's more subtle than the thread title indicates.
"The room can totally wreck, or make, a system"
For those interested in dealing with the most important part of their system -- indeed, the precondition for a good system: the room.
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@onhwy61 your post is certainly true and reasonable. My experience mirrors what you stated. I have had massively to minimally treated rooms throughout the decades. I managed to get all the systems to sound very engaging and enjoyable. Natural wool rug in front of the speakers, more nearfield listening combined with speakers that work well with aggressive toe-in minimizing the room’s impact. Getting acoustic treatments right in a given room can be difficult. One of my highly treated rooms would always sound flat and a tad dull. I learned to use more diffusion and thicker broad spectrum absorption panels to avoid that result. Furniture combined with book cases and such can certainly help acoustics if well thought out. Some of my listening spaces were in a shared living room making the use of acoustic treatments near impossible! 🙁. Finally, I have a good audio friend that paid one of the acoustic companies mentioned in this thread many thousands to treat his room. He ended up having them remove most of it in the end. He felt the system lost life and vibrancy. I suppose some of this can be subjective in terms of sonic result. It seems everything in audio including acoustic panel types, placement and number, is also subjective. Nevertheless, if at all possible acoustic room treatments should be employed, but realize it takes time and effort to do it your liking and preference. |
Right — and this is why a deadened room sounds "weird." I appreciate the pushback on the way I phrased the OP. I think it is possible to have good rooms if mid or nearfield listening is possible. That said, the space I was setting up in was going to be near to midfield and it needed help. At first, I way over treated it. I got a lot of panels for free from someone local -- bass traps, absorbers of different kinds, a couple diffusers. Put too much in and took a lot out — but not the bass traps nor the absorbers on my 6.5ft ceiling. Things were not right so I got a bunch of diffusers and they did the trick. |
I understand that in the real world people are used to listening to their rather live rooms and it might sound strange in a treated room. But once your brain tunes into the sound emanating from the speakers you start hearing the room the music was created in, or at least the ambient space that was created in the mix. Sure, live music occurs in an acoustic space and that's an important part of the original sound. But a good recording captures that sound and that's what I want to hear. An untreated, live room distorts the sound in the recording by adding sound that wasn't part of the original performance. No different than noise. A room needs both diffusion and absorption for different reasons. But the net effect of good treatment is reducing the sound of the room and allowing you to hear the recording without added noise, which is what reflections are. Noise that wasn't contained in the original recording. A good recording studio isn't anechoic but rather a place where music sound fabulous. Spend some time in one and see.
I hate listening on headphones. My point is that people who do like them don't complain about the absence of room sound. They like hearing the actual sound of the recording, not the sound of the room they're in. |
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