Vintage Japanese DD Consult and Suggestions Please


A little over five years ago, I worked with Chris Harban at Woodsong Audio to craft a bespoke Garrard 301 for me and my my vinyl collection. I had previously had a Dual of some model followed by a Thorens TD 160 with a nice Ortofon Black MM cart. The 301 was completely restored featuring a heavy mahogany plinth, Ortofon AS 309S tonearm, and Ortofon SPU head. I have completely blown away with how this table has sounded and looked. The sound was huge, rich, and detailed...everything that I heard that idle drives from this era should sound.

Unfortunately, some family health matters have forced me to liquidate some much revered audio gear, and recently placed my Garrard 301 up for sale. I do not wish to be without a way to continue to enjoy my collection and would somehow like to come as close to the performance of the 301 for around $2500 or so. 

My considerations (thus far)for this change are as follows,

Denon DP80

Technics SP10 Mk 2 or 3

Technics SL 1000 Mk 2

Luxman PD 444

As you can see, I am curious about the more vintage looks and sound of the direct drives coming out of Japan, and am hoping to glean from this audience which of these units may provide me with the same (or as close to)level of enjoyment that my 301 has done. Thoughts on tonearm and MC cartridges pairings with each would be helpful.

I am not really considering anything belt driven at this time for whatever reason, or a deck that veers away from a traditional turntable aesthetic.

If it helps, the rest of the signal chain is as follows.

Aric Audio Motherlode preamp

Manley Steelhead phono pre

Aric Audio Transcend EL 34 push/pull amp

Klipsch Forte iv speakers.

 

I am grateful in advance for your thoughts on this matter.

 

 

laaudionut

@laaudionut, I don't have the broad experience like some (lewm) but hopefully can offer some helpful information.

First, if at all possible I would encourage you to find a way to keep your 301 long enough for a direct comparison with whatever replacement you find.  I've never had a 301/401/etc. but they are the top choice for many.  Others prefer a quality DD, so you need to determine which you like.

Second, there is great potential with some of the Japanese DDs such as you've mentioned.  But because of age any of those need to be "refreshed" (parts and calibration) by a knowledgeable technician if that was not done recently.  And sometimes parts can be difficult as with the Denon and SP-10 Mk 2(A).  Some of those motor units may not come with a proper plinth or a tone arm.  So depending on what you find used the costs can quickly add up.

Third, given the potential cost for an upgraded vintage Japanese DD, are there any new options that might be simpler and cost less?  Technics has introduced several upgraded models over the past few years, and there is a new Denon, though I don't know anything about it.

Good luck.

I will not tag all with whom have provided much valued information, but I will state that I have read and re-read them all, digesting each bit your experiences. 

I did see the Micro Seiki that was suggested and that is certainly one to consider outside of those I referenced in my original post. 

Additionally, I believe that all of you are correct that a vintage DD may require more time and money that I have budgeted. I spent some time earlier this morning on a couple of used gear sites and for my budget took note of the following turntables,

Pro-ject The Classic

Pro-ject Xtension 12

Dr. Feickert Volare

Rega P3

Linn LP 12-however I see that Linn, for whatever reason, is a bit of a polarizing brand and more people speak ill of them than sing their praises.

The TTs on your list above are all belt driven types. In my opinion if you want to get closest to the idler drive sonics of the Garrard 301, direct drive is your best bet. Another option is Lenco, which I happen to believe can be made to sound as good or better than a 301 for less money. In my opinion also, the Lenco idler design is inherently mechanically quieter than that of the 301. Re the Denon, as far as I was ever able to determine, the DP75 is not different from the DP80 in any important way, and those two are the models worth seeking.

@lewm, I am aware that those mentioned in my previous post are belt, which I originally thought I would steer clear of. But as I peruse the online ads, I could pick up something more turn-key. I will actively seek out the Denon as well as a Lenco.

I appreciate your comments!