Dynamic Duo: T+A DAC 200 and Lumin U2 (not the mini)


I just wanted to share my experience shopping for DACs and Streamers.

What I value -- neutral to warm, transparent sound.

What I dislike -- tipped up analytical sound

So I watched and read a number of reviews in search of upgrading from a 2006 ish Welltronics DAC with a tube output stage.  I liked it fine but was confident I was missing out on detail and soundstage and it could not take the latest formats or DSD.  Plus it would be fun to explore as part of this hobby which I've been in for 40+ years. The rest of my system is Roon Nucleus, Ether Regen switch/After Dark Clock, Oppo 205, Aesthetics Mimas, Vandersteen Quatro fed by AQ Robinhood biwire.  My room is 12x16 with speaker on long end.

First up was the DCS Bartok Apex (combined DAC/Streamer) in excess of 20K.  Auditioned at the store and for a weekend at home.  In my system, compared to my DAC, nice, slightly better detail, not particularly engaging to me.  For the money, definitely not worth it for me.  An audiophile acquaintance graciously offered for me to hear the Playback Designs (no built-in streamer) in his home.  I brought my DAC over to compare on his system.  Similar to the Apex, a bit more detail but I was not blown away.  This may be because I'm just not as skilled a listener or I have less acute 60+ hearing as my host who was hearing what he considered big improvements over my DAC.  I should also note that my expectations were to really like the Apex and Playback and I thought going in I was going to pull the trigger on one of these.  However, I came out pretty neutral with a "they're good, but not outstanding" to me kind of feeling.

Hearing a number of raves about the T+A DAC 200 (around 7k), I got a 60 day trial from Upscale.  Wow, what a nice difference!  The DAC was giving me more timbre, some snappiness from acoustic and electric guitar while not being bright or edgy.  Very neutral.  Lots of filter choices to slightly tailor the sound.  More air and space on recordings and deeper soundstage.  I then read that the separate DSD stage was better than the PCM so streamed some DSD recordings, and those sounded even a bit better than the already great sound.  

The Lumin U2 (not the mini around 5K) had nice reviews and could upscale to DSD 256 and output through USB.  That would be a nice feature given that the DSD stage in the T+A appears to be somewhat better.  Have paired the Lumin with T+A upscaling everything to DSD including my library, Qobuz, and even Spotify.  It is very very nice upgrade compared to the Oppo as Roon endpoint with more improvements in space and timber, very natural sounding.  I've also fed the T+A with SACDs from the Oppo using HDMI (an optional input for the T+A.)  Another very nice upgrade, hearing my SACDs like never before.  

DCS, Playback Designs, and T+A all have their specific engineering speak/marketing claims/approach.  I think these are all passionate companies that believe in their approach to great sound.  At the end of the day, their presentation (and they all present a bit differently) may not be your preferred flavor.  My advice is that while differences in these flavors are very subtle, if you expect to be served the same dish every day over the next decade after such a big investment, you better be sure you like the taste!  Having extended audition periods at home for gear is a godsend honestly and reduces the stress in making a decision.

I'm very grateful to have sampled these very nice products and to find one that works well for me at an expensive yet very reasonable price.  Happy hunting out there to everyone and remember to trust your ears and not price, engineering approach or the look of the gear.

Would love to hear others experiences.

 

 

 

 

ready4audio

Congratulations on the new acquisition and upgrade. Just wait till the 170+ hours mark and then let us know what you think. Since I replaced the Oppo 205 with this DAC, from day 1 I was thilled by the DAC 200's sound. But somewhere near the 170 hour mark, this DAC sounded so much better. I am sure you have gone through the Audiophile Style site for user feedback on this DAC.

I use HQ Player with this DAC and upsample everything to DSD 256 (including Spotify). You are also upsampling using the Lumin and not just upcaling. There are so many filter options available in HQ Player. My next upgrade will most likely be going to a more powerful desktop for the HQ Player and see if I can do DSD 1024. But for now I want to get a mic and do a REW measurement in my system.

BTW, PCM with BEZ2 filter also sounds phenomenal on the DAC 200. Just give it a shot and trust your own ears.

Thanks @milpai  very much!  This is a late review after many months so it's well broken in and yes I agree it does sound even better broken in.  Also showing its worth, when I upgraded speaker cables things sounded even better, presumably allowing more of the DAC's inherent qualities to shine through.

As far as HQ player, I used to have my iMac in the chain but prefer the simplicity of having the Roon Nucleus and Lumin in the chain to convert to DSD.  HQ Player sounds like it has a lot to offer but I'm trying to avoid too many rabbit holes wink

I also like the BEZ2 filter, and definitely use that when I'm watching music you tube videos via HDMI.

Enjoy your setup!

@ready4audio 

congrats! It truly is an exceptional DAC. I’m sure plenty of people would prefer the DCS or Playback Designs (or others). But there is certainly a reason why this DAC is so well regarded by users and reviewers alike. 

As far as HQ player, I used to have my iMac in the chain but prefer the simplicity of having the Roon Nucleus and Lumin in the chain to convert to DSD.

There are number of folks who are doing this and super satisfied with the results.

 

The T+A DAC is excellent, and with the addition of a true DSD converter and an analogue resistor controlled volume control, it is a tremendous value.  For PCM only I prefer (very slightly) the Weiss 501, but the DSD option in the T+A is preferable overall to both, IMO.  I’m running a Sonore optical converter and rendu streamer with a small green computer i5 running Roon.  I also like that the T+A offers the ability to process without any oversampling, in addition to all the other available filters as you mentioned.  Many DACs do not have this.  It is a very flexible and capable DAC.