What are your go to LP's for evaluating new gear or new tubes?


I have several that I use but Mannheim Steamroller is nearly always in the mix. Does anyone else still listen to them or is it just me?

billpete

I think this is the pink label version of TFTT, which I shall have to play this morning:

@flash56 

I just checked my re-master copy of TFTT. It is 180G, vinyl re-release, and says mastered from original tapes so not the typical digital remaster. For some reason, I thought it was a digital remaster, probably just because I'm so used to the term. The label reads UNIVERSAL MUSIC FOR THE WORLD, on a gray label with black circle. On the back, it says Universal and Island. Maybe it had a shot at being a good one. Maybe there is a way to re-drill the center hole? Will have to look into that. 

My Island copy is the sunray version but according to what I read on Hoffman's site, it should be the same as the pink label. Is BDP24 saying that none of them are right? There is so much info, I have trouble following. Is there a difference in the dbx version on A&M as I have that one too. 

I find nearly all Cat Stevens albums to have great dynamics, when compared to other records of the same time period. It always seemed to me that he must have been very particular about these things. It is really surprising to find that so many mistakes were made. My other favorites are Buddha and The Chocolate Box and Catch Bull at Four. I haver several others as well but the three named are more of my favorites and get more play time. There are good songs on all of his records and I am now inspired to listen to all of them, including each copy to see what I can pick up. 

This has been extremely interesting.

 

@bdp24 

Trying to make sure I am understanding what you say. I think you said that the very first Island (pink label) copies of TFTT got it right? Is that correct? My sunray may also be that same recording, according to the Hoffman site. Then Analog Productions did it right again? Or did they change it somehow? I don't mean to drag this on forever, just trying to be clear on what is being said. 

 

 

 

@dogberry 

You are a lucky dog...........berry. :) Hoping mine is the same just different label. Verdict not quite in yet. 

 

No problem @billpete, you confusion is quite understandable. I’ll look through YouTube videos and see if I can find the ones wherein Chad Kassem, Bernie Grundman, Michael Fremer, and Kassem’s QRP (Quality Record Production) production manager sit around for a coupla hours discussing the whole Tea For The Tillerman debacle.

In the meantime, let me see if I can simplify and clarify things for you..Since the advent of Dolby "A" noise reduction (a more complex, full range version of the Dolby "B" and "C" used in cassette decks), it has been very widely used in recording studios. By the time of the taping of Tea For The Tillerman, there were few recordings made without it.

Here’s how Dolby A works. When a 2" 16 or 24 track master tape is mixed down to two channels (left and right, for stereo), the mix is almost always recorded onto a 1/4" or 1/2" master mix tape, the recorder running at either 15 inches per second or 30. During the recording of the master mix tape, the recording engineer, record producer, and sometimes the artist make choices regarding equalization, compression, relative track levels (volume), added reverb and/or echo, etc., etc., etc.

And here’s the important relevant point to be made: when that 2-trk master mix tape is made, the engineer and producer can decide to make it either with or without Dolby A noise reduction employed. Dolby A is a 4-band (four different frequency "groups", each with it’s own frequency response curve. I don’t know the specific frequency bands involved, but for the sake of argument let’s hypothetically imagine them to be 1,000-2,000Hz, 3,000-5,000Hz, 6,000-10,000Hz, and 10,000-20,000Hz. The numbers aren’t important in what we are trying to understand here.).

And here’s the crucial thing to understand: when that tape is made with Dolby A noise reduction employed, the Dolby circuit boosts each of the frequency bands, the boost having a frequency response curve, similar to the filters in a loudspeaker’s crossover. And during playback of the tape in the process of mastering, the Dolby A playback circuitry applies a complimentary but exactly opposite amount of frequency response reduction, returning the response of the 2-trk. tape to that of the 2" 16 or 24-trk. master tape. And since the noise inherent in all analogue tape recording is added to the signal created on the 2-trk. tape---the noise is organically mixed in with the sound contained in each of the 16 or 24 tracks---when the Dolby playback circuitry reduces the frequency response of the signal sent to the recording head, the noise inherent in the signal is reduced by the exact same amount, hence noise reduction is achieved.

When the original mastering engineer received the production master tape of Tea For The Tillerman, he apparently mistakenly assumed the tape had been made with Dolby A employed. It hadn’t. So he used the Dolby playback circuitry, which applied the frequency response reduction curves to the signal used to "cut" the lacquers needed to make an LP.. Since the tape had NOT had the Dolby frequency response boost added to in when it was made, when the Dolby A playback circuit applied the response "cuts" to the signal, the "flat" response of the multi-track master tape now resembled the response curves of the Dolby playback circuitry, not the sound on the tape itself. Oops.

The end result is that the LP was mastered with severe cuts in frequency response, cuts increasing in level as the frequencies increased (deeper cuts at 5,000Hz that at 2,000Hz, say). That’s why the original LP sounds dead, lifeless, missing a significant degree of it’s high frequency content, along with other attributes such as dynamic range. That includes the original pink label Island pressing.

Bernie Grundman made his discovery when mastering the album for Classic Records, whenever that was. When Chad Kassem bought Classic Records from Michael Hobsen, that purchase included the "metal works" for TFTT that Grundman had made for Classic."Metal "works" is the term for the metal disc that is made from the lacquer that a mastering engineer "cuts" (literally), required in the production of all LP’s.

I hope my explanation makes sense, but if not ask away!