Sound quality differences in streamers


Can there be sonic differences between moderate and high priced streamers when used for streaming only. I will not use or engage an onboard DAC or any other feature, just stream from Tidal or Amazon to DAC. If the unit is just transferring zeros and ones to a DAC can there be differences in say a $300 WiiM and a $3000 dSC streamer? Thanks

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I would agree that non-data "noise" such as, say, SMPS noise can affect sound quality if and when allowed to enter the analog realm, if you will (usually meaning your DAC’s output section); but would you say that that noise can affect sound quality while within the digital realm

@devinplombier  It’s well known that adding an external LPS to streamers that don’t have an internal one meaningfully improves their performance, so yes in that way it affects sound quality in the digital realm.  Another example would be the use of galvanic isolation in better and more pricey streamers and DDCs.  If noise didn’t interfere with the signal in the digital realm then neither of these things would make a difference.  The better/cleaner the digital signal is going into the DAC the better otherwise transports/streamers wouldn’t sound any different, so in that way things like decreasing noise and using better clocks in streamers (and transports) improves sound quality.

As far as mdalton, he’s on record as saying there’s no point in spending more than $2k on a streamer, which is just silly among most anyone here who’s heard one and speaks to his inability to hear those differences.  While that’s fine for him, coming here and possibly discouraging others from even trying a pricier streamer by telling people there’s no difference is a disservice to those who may not suffer from his hearing disability, and that’s the real problem.  My point is just try for yourself and if you don’t hear an improvement with a better/more expensive streamer then fine, but for most people here it doesn’t play out that way, which is why companies like Innuos, Aurender, Grimm, Antipodes, etc. exist and thrive — it’s not because we’re all fooling ourselves here or because we wanna just throw our $$$ away for no reason.

 

@devinplombier 

Well thank you sir, very kind of you!  You are hereby invited to hang with me anytime.  We’ll drink scotch, talk politics - respectfully - and listen to great music on whichever system strikes your fancy.

@soix in the process of slightly missing my point, you seem to be helping my point. At the end of the day, a quality DAC with a sophisticated input section will strip any and all noise from the incoming data stream; in that way, digital accoutrements such as audiophile Ethernet switches, DDCs, $1000 USB cables and the like are paradoxically most efficacious if you own a crappy $99 DAC, which I most definitely trust you don’t.

 

I’m not saying there are night and day differences between streamers or any components. In my experience, easily discernable differences are hard to ignore. In my opinion, high-end audio is about hearing small differences, that so may of us are willing to spend significant money for. How much one is willing to spend for incremental improvements is different for each of us. That’s where I am with speakers now. I’ve heard several speakers/system that I prefer to mine, but I’m not willing to spend the money to purchase a new system or new speakers.