How good is the crossover in your loudspeakers?


 

I just watched a Danny Richie YouTube video from three weeks ago (linked below). Danny is the owner/designer of GR Research, a company that caters to the DIY loudspeaker community. He designs and sells kits that contain the drivers and crossover schematics to his loudspeakers, to hi-fi enthusiasts who are willing and able to build their own enclosures (though he also has a few cabinet makers who will do it for you if you are willing to pay them to do so).

Danny has also designed crossovers for loudspeaker companies who lack his crossover design knowledge. In addition, he offers a service to consumers who, while liking some aspects of the sound of their loudspeakers, find some degree of fault in those loudspeakers, faults Danny offers to try to eliminate. Send Danny one of your loudspeakers, and he will free of charge do a complete evaluation of it's design. If his evaluation reveals design faults (almost always crossover related) he is able to cure, he offers a crossover upgrade kit as a product.

Some make the case that Danny will of course find fault in the designs of others, in an attempt to sell you one of his loudspeaker kits. A reasonable accusation, were it not for the fact that---for instance---in this particular video (an examination of an Eggleston model) Danny makes Eggleston an offer to drop into the company headquarters and help them correct the glaring faults he found in the crossover design of the Eggleston loudspeaker a customer sent him.

Even if you are skeptical---ESPECIALLY if you are---why not give the video a viewing? Like the loudspeaker evaluation, it's free.

 

 

https://youtu.be/1wF-DEEXv64?si=tmd6JI3DFBq8GAjK&t=1

 

And for owners of other loudspeakers, there are a number of other GR Research videos in which other models are evaluated. 

 

 

bdp24

I haven't watched Danny's videos religiously so I don't know what he's left out. In any case one shouldn't rely on only one source for their information. Sometimes I forget others far newer to high end audio, I've learned from so many sources over the decades.

 

As it pertains to speaker mods, so much more goes into the final result such that a one solution mod or speaker not possible. One should realize another person's modifications may not work in their system, room, or be sympathetic with their perception of sound qualities.

 

@bmbmzig: Danny Richie has repeated stated that achieving a desired frequency response (the specs/measurements to which you refer) does only one thing: make the speaker accurate. He over and over has stressed the point that replacing sound-degrading crossover parts with parts that don’t degrade the signal is the way to increase a loudspeaker’s transparency, resolution, fine detail, soundstage layering (depth, width,  height, spacing between singers and musicians), and other audiophile performance characteristics.

For the speakers sent to him that have technical problems (less than optimum crossovers), he designs a new crossover to correct those technical shortcomings. And he also of course builds the new crossover using parts he has found produce good sonic results  For the speakers that already have an accurate frequency response, he just replicates the stock crossover, but replaces the electrolytic capacitors, sand cast resistors, and iron core inductors with audiophile grade parts, including internal wiring, copper binding posts, etc.

People often say (in fact did so just above) "Why not just buy a better loudspeaker, one you like the sound of more?" That’s fine, but what makes you think the better speaker doesn’t also have a "junk"  crossover. All loudspeakers are built to a price point, and using the best crossover parts can increase the cost of a speaker to the point of it not being a commercially viable product. Loudspeaker companies don’t divulge what parts they use in the crossovers, and Wilson Audio "pots" their crossovers so that you can see what’s in them.

The video below---Danny’s latest, posted just yesterday---is an interesting (and unique) case. An owner of a Magnepan 2.6 sent his speakers to Magnepan to have them repaired and refurbished (details in the video). When that was completed he had Magnepan ship the speakers to GR Research, Yes, Magnepan is well aware of the mods Danny offers for their speakers. To hear Danny’s thoughts on the 2.6 (and Magnepan’s in general), you can watch the video.

So if you’re a Magnepan lover, how do you take the advice others have made in this thread, and just buy a speaker whose sound you like more than Maggies? Like what? A "better" model Maggie? Sorry, they all contain the same quality crossovers. At least they did until recently. Magnepan themselves now offer some of their models in the new X Series, which feature crossovers using better parts, internal wiring, binding posts, etc.

And what if you like your current speaker more than any other in it’s price range, but suspect that an upgraded crossover will keep it’s basic sound character, but improve it in the ways I listed in an above paragraph? A GR Research mod is just one alternate to consider.

 

Yesterday’s GR Research YouTube video is entitled "Is This The Best Deal In High-End Audio? (Magnepan + Mods). It may be, but it has stiff competition from the Eminent Technology LFT-8b, another planar-magnetic loudspeaker. Here’s the video:

 

https://youtu.be/WjNV8BbZRG8?si=HyRoyMQiMGXhWe1Y

 

And here’s a video on the ET LFT-8b:

 

https://youtu.be/Uc5O5T1UHkE?si=yyvaTIj9e-Rc44JL

 

Purchased a pair of JBL L-100T's in 1986 when I saw them on the cover of Stereo Review in the spring. Had them gone thru and woofers refoamed couple of years ago by an old retired JBL guy in Ca. I used to live in Northridge about 2 mi. from where the JBL company was years ago. Always liked the speakers but the highs were just a bit bright. I noticed an ad on Ebay for the Crossover Chef. He makes upgraded crossovers for 30 or more speakers and all the vintage JBL's. They cost $400 with shipping and the guy is slammed , took 3 months to get them. Had a tech help me install them , they are twice the size of the originals about 2 months ago. Just amazing really , I am astounded. More bass , still tight and not muddy , the mid range is smoother and the high's are no longer too bright. I drive them with a McIntosh MA 7900 integrated amp 200 wpc into 8 ohms. Know I sound like a commercial for this dude but one of the best investments I've ever made.

I love the crossovers in my Omega CAMs. They are without crossovers. 😊

When I chose my most recent speaker I watched a you tube video by the designer.  He described the country origin of the components. Nice tweeter made to their spec , nice woofer made for them by Morel , but the nicest looking part inside was the crossover.  It looked really high quality.   Looked like it belonged in a more expensive speaker.