Is there a problem with Decca's new packaging for vinyl records?


Until recently, every record I have bought has had a paper inner liner, usually lined with a plastic film.  The very last records from Decca (London to you?) had a much flashier shiny cardboard? inner liner, complete with high quality printing on the liner.

When I extracted the records, I noticed a linear, horizontal deposit near the edge of the disk, about 3 inches long, like a high tide mark highlighted in white polystyrene.  Very close inspection showed two fainter parallel lines.  After ultrasonic cleaning, the records were very noisy and have not got better with playing!

Looking very closely at the insides of the shiny cardboard liners, you can see where small flaps have been folded to allow the liner to be glued to form an envelope.  The edge of the flap is pretty much where the ’polystyrene’ lines would have formed, so I am guessing that the edge rubbed against the record surface during transit.

Presto Classical immediately offered to order new records for me, and to inspect and repack, but I think the damage could also occur in the distribution chain from the manufacturer.  Presto then immediately refunded me the cost of the records (as luck would have it, I bought the CD at the same time as the vinyl).

I have tried to alert Decca but have no reply as yet.  The specific records contain Klaus Makela’s performances of Stravinsky’s Firebird and Rite of Spring.  Hyperion records in the same shipment were undamaged.  Previous Decca records have been in paper inner sleeves and are also undamaged.

richardbrand

@richardbrand 

I don’t mean to be snarky here but somehow you have imbibed the propaganda that vinyl is a higher resolution medium than bog standard CD.  You also seem to a priori believe that multichannel SACD is superior to CD.

   I am more sympathetic to the second assumption as I have 2 multichannel systems in my home and a substantial number of SACDs, Blu Rays, and DVD-Audios.  There have been a few SACDs-not many- where the multichannel version was inferior to the two channel incarnation.  The Hyperion label, for example, made poor sounding SACDs and stopped issuing them.

  However the assumption that analog is a priori superior to digital has always just been nonsense.  For me there is no competition for the black backgrounds and extended dynamic range of digital, particularly in Classical Music.  
  LP has been remarkably successful in its Resurrection and promotion of myth.  People are just in love with artifact and willing to shell out buck bucks to enjoy sonic sludge and then crow about it.

  My LP is listening is reserved for those few favorite albums of yesteryear that were never reissued digitally (or only as mp3 or part of a huge box).  Since pretty much every thing is now available as a FLAC download, it’s been a few months since I felt the urge to lift the dust over , clean the record, and settle in for a pop and click filled 18 minutes of music 

@mahler123 

One of the great things about this forum for me is that I frequently learn new things!

For example, I have just discovered that what I thought was a British independent label, Hyperion, was actually bought by the Universal Music Group in March 2023 - see UNIVERSAL MUSIC GROUP ANNOUNCES ACQUISITION OF LEGENDARY CLASSICAL LABEL HYPERION RECORDS - UMG.

In the classical music space UMG also owns Decca and Deutsche Grammophon (DG), which explains why I see Decca recordings on Hyperion's website!  It may also explain why I cannot buy SACDs from Decca or Hyperion (35 listed, most deleted).  Now that the Berliner Philharmonika runs its own label featuring the multi-channel Digital Concert Hall I hardly see anything new I want to buy from DG.

So many other great labels are powering ahead with SACD including 2L, BIS, Chandos, Dacapo, LSO Live. Pentatone, Reference Recordings, etc.

Yes, I am totally convinced that well recorded classical SACDs should always be better than well recorded classical CDs.  For a start, most actually contain the CD version, as well as 2-channel and multi-channel Direct Stream Digital (DSD).  What have you got to lose? 

I am also totally convinced that DSD is better than PCM on theoretical, commercial and listening grounds.  Getting monotonic linearity from PCM is impossible unless it is converted to DSD using sigma-delta techniques.  If DSD isn't better, why would Sony and Philips, who designed the Redbook CD specification, have produced a revolutionary new format they intended to replace CDs?  It is a pity North Americans did not warm to the 'new' format 17 years ago.

I have told this story before, but on a whim, I bought a Reavon universal player.  My test SACD is Hyperion's Shostakovich Piano Concertos, in particular the very quiet second movement of the second concerto.  When I played this through the Reavon's DACs it had none of the air and sparkle I was used to.  On delving deeper, it turned out that the Burr Brown DACs were being fed DSD down-converted to 16-bit PCM and the lack of quality was almost immediately obvious to me, though no reviewer has picked it up!  (Fortunately the DACs in my pre-processor handle native DSD delivered via HDMI just fine),

 don’t mean to be snarky here but somehow you have imbibed the propaganda that vinyl is a higher resolution medium than bog standard CD

Far from it.  I stopped buying vinyl as soon as CDs came out.  My interest in vinyl has been re-kindled when I found out how much my old Garrad 301 table is fetching second hand (and the ridiculous prices for new old stock!).  I suspect one reason they are valued is that they can be adjusted to start and stop in a fraction of a second.  I have spent several thousand upgrading the Garrard and it now sounds to me to be about the same quality as a good CD player.  No doubt I could spend tens of thousands and do significantly better.  I have even recently bought my Hyperion test track on vinyl but sadly it will never match the SACD.

I am old enough to have watched manufacturers who did not have a digital offering dump on digital, and HiFi retailers sniff when I wanted them to play a CD.  Those same retailers today, when asked to demonstrate components worth as much as Porsches, reach for their iPhones to stream digital!

I am agnostic when it comes to vinyl but was pleasantly surprised when my dealer had a B&W speaker evening and in one room, was playing vinyl through a Holbo air bearing, linear tracking deck.  It even managed to make B&W speakers sound OK!

@mahler123 

Your post prompted me to check out Deutsche Grammophon’s website.  They now seem to concentrate on vinyl, often from their back catalogue.  And they list new recordings from their Decca colleagues.  So their owner, UMG, obviously sees more profit from vinyl, which at 250% the price of the equivalent CD, makes some sort of sense.

Having said that, they also offer digital downloads including Dolby Atmos, so all is not lost!

That’s why I spend most of my hard-earned on silver disks from 2l, BIS, Chandos, LSO Live and the Berliner Philharmonika!

I bought the Petrenko/BPO Shostakovich from Berlin PO site.  The Blu Ray was good but the High Res Nelsons/Boston recordings of the same, from DG, blew it away.  Different halls, different orchestras so who knows what it means.  For the price of one of their releases one can buy an Ormandy reissue box of 60 CDs.  Oh well I buy all of it, reissue and hot shot high resolution material, and probably will until I croak

@mahler123

There are over 70 recordings of the 2nd Piano Concerto listed on Presto Classical, complete with reviews from many sources including the Gramophone.  I take note of those labelled Recommended!

My Hyperion SACD is no longer available, but the vinyl has just been released.  For a long time I have followed a personal rule - if I see something I like, buy it.  You never know when it will be withdrawn!

You mention high res - can you tell me how many channels and the format, please?