Let's talk music, no genre boundaries
This is an offshoot of the jazz thread. I and others found that we could not talk about jazz without discussing other musical genres, as well as the philosophy of music. So, this is a thread in which people can suggest good music of all genres, and spout off your feelings about music itself.
My favorite piece of Debussy was the first i heard by Moravec: "la cathédrale engloutie"... I was stunned... I was able to see the cathédrale emerging from the ocean deep sans : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlDyXZ74kf0&list=RDPlDyXZ74kf0&start_radio=1
Now compare with Bavouzet : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwELlJyVEhc&list=RDfwELlJyVEhc&start_radio=1
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Fascinating! Moravec wins in my opinion. But I will post Arturo Benedetti Michelangeli who is mentioned as the best Debussy interpreter on almost every forum I have looked at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsdIkUSjXv8 And now my previous favorite Phillipe Entremont: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=895XJSyyrEs Overall, I would say Moravec for power, Michelangeli for precision, Entremont for lyricism, and Bavouzet for being laid back. That’s after one listening, though. I heard Bavouzet today, I know Entremont and Michelangeli well, I would like to hear more of Moravec. Perhaps tomorrow. Feux d'Artifice Michelangeli https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgSgVktjd4g Entremont Feux d'artifice |
What you call power , i call expression; and expressive power is the main thing in playing as "timbre perception" is the main thing in audio, not details perception promoted by sellers ignoring acoustics...I dont want to taste music i want to be possessed by it... I like Scriabin because almost no pianist nevermind most virtuoso are unable to play him at all ...Scriabin is a God beside Bach, Mozart Beethoven Josquin Des Prez and some others as Liszt whom almost no pianist could play really too ...
MIchelangeli is "perfect" like Hamelin is...But i want to be moved not just esthetically pleased...I want a pianist who tell me a story whose images i can see like in a movie...Moravec do so more than anyone here and he can makes "feux d’artifice" speaks and sings not only be seen ...try his Chopin nocturnes... Only Rubinstein rival him in fluid expression they are my Chopin choices... Perfection is often only a flattening of the necessary imperfection, a flat wall with no movie.A dripping mountain eroded to be a dry plain.
"Imperfection is the peak" René Char
The same is true if we compare Michelangeli with Moravec in the "cathédrale engloutie", here note the "pulse" the internal rythm in Moravec 3-D playing as if it was a song and a movie: Moravec https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlDyXZ74kf0&list=RDPlDyXZ74kf0&start_radio=1 Michelangeli https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsdIkUSjXv8
Musical time is not linear, it cannot be measured but only felt as a singing and spoken quality or as a walking abyss, the perfect note one after the other dont make music...I learn this listening Furtwangler...Unparallel maestro ...Try Schumann fourth symphony, a radiography of Schumann soul , perhaps one greatest album ever recorded beside few others. |
Let me be clear, I did not consciously choose to only like music with the attributes I listed previously. I didn't create that list with intent to only only listen to music with those attributes. I just noticed over time, that music that did not have most or all of those attributes became less and less interesting to me, and my tastes and search for new music kept heading toward those attributes. I have several recordings by Szymanowski that I like quite a bit. Those criteria I previously mentioned: Those criteria being (no particular order): very high level of musicianship, deep and broad levels of emotional and/or intellectual content conveyed, fairly high levels of complexity and sophistication, (usually) long form song structure that goes through changes in: mood, intensity, tempo, dynamics, time changes, etc., over its length. |
I like a lot Sorabji madness played by Ogdon (almost mad himself but a formidable pianist in Busoni too) I own many Sorabji music...pure genius and total madness...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OrAewTxBrc&list=RD_OrAewTxBrc&start_radio=1
The transcendental studies is incredible too by Ullen :
But so much i admire Sorabji and i like him a lot, he does not moves me at all...like Scriabin or Liszt well played (which is almost impossible by most pianists) Music is not just creative esthetical research, it is a spiritual spell...
If i listen Gesualdo well interpreted madrigals i dont even note that his music has more than 500 years old... It moves us because it is not only inventive but rooted in the heart...
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