I agree with you that music can have deep spiritual meaning. I don't agree, however, that for me all music, whether I enjoy it for beauty or melody or just for fun, must have spiritual depth underneath. Since it just seems to be you and me talking now, we cannot ask others what they think. I listened to the Eagles today because I like their melodies and the band. I don't think there was anything spiritual beneath that. You might be talking about what music means to you, but not necessarily to others.
Let's talk music, no genre boundaries
This is an offshoot of the jazz thread. I and others found that we could not talk about jazz without discussing other musical genres, as well as the philosophy of music. So, this is a thread in which people can suggest good music of all genres, and spout off your feelings about music itself.
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By the way in the last 2 days i enjoyed 12 hours of Vivaldi "I musici" Vivaldi albums... There is no spiritual depth in his concerti at all, only pure joy... I bet i am a normal dude even if my most precious music exihbit "spiritual depth"... I pity those who do not even recognize "spiritual depths"... I love Vivaldi as much as Scriabin "spiritual depth" by the way and will never claim that Vivaldi is inferior to Scriabin genius... I hope i had been clear...
By the way it need a good audio system to enjoy the high frequencies range of violins for 12 hours almost non stop ... I had one... Violin sound like honey butter between hot and cold...
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@audio-b-dog - I glance at this thread now and then. My take is that if I want spirituality, I'd go to some church, but I don't do spirituality or churches. I don't experience any art form for 'spirituality'. I like my arts, be they music, films, television, or books, visceral.... Different people get different things from the arts. |
"spiritual depth" is not a religious experience linked to a piece of religious music for me... This is a common place Lapalissade association by superficial look...
"spiritual depth" in music is linked to the " felt change of consciousness" Owen Barfield defined and associated with the way words/sounds/rythms are used in poetry...In the same way musicians can use music language of their culture and timbre mastery to create real "spiritual experiences" not just "fun" or a designed orthodox religious celebration.
"visceral" on the other way refer back to the property of music to speak trough the "timbre experience" which is a universal experience lived trough our body sensation nevermind the differences of culture... you read it here :
Bodily maps of musical sensations across cultureshttps://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2308859121
Timbral effects on consonance disentangle psychoacoustic mechanisms and suggest perceptual origins for musical scales: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-45812-z
The reason why this is such is explained by this acoustician in his book here an article :
The Mechanical Invariance Factor in Musical Acoustics and Perception (Revisited)https://sciencepublishinggroup.com/article/10.11648/10026300
This article can help to understand all the others above : «Building on the current results, the researchers are now investigating how human hearing is more finely tuned toward natural sounds, and also studying the temporal factor in hearing.»
I insisted on "musical time" so much in this thread the reason is explained here in the lastarticle under these lines and why musical time cannot be measured by linear clock...Furtwangler knew it in a way Toscanini did not...(Gergiev Russian maestro) Human hearing beats the Fourier uncertainty principlehttps://phys.org/news/2013-02-human-fourier-uncertainty-principle.html
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