Do you think you need a subwoofer?

Raul, you said, "Bob, I whish I can to do it right now but I don't have the right tools to do it in the right way and for the other way"

Raul, you don't have any equipment to do this? Amazing! And you want to be my audio electronics engineer:)?
With apologies to Seinfeld...and you want to be my latex salesman?

And you said "no: seriously I'm right now with an in deep tests of our two tonearm prototypes and this stage on the tonearm design is very high time consuming, it is not only to compare each protoype against other tonearms but between those prototypes. This kind of work is not only between all those tonearms but with several differents cartridges!!!!!

And I am hoping you are not testing the tonearm on a system that you have no clue as to what it is doing. Because if you say the low bass is great with the new arm, how would you (and me) know? When you are not even reproducing low bass?

Also, I am not sure how you can say all of this about subwoofers when you don't even have any basic measurements.

Well, I do look forward to the day you can do this.

Bob

i can not speak for anyone else, but i removed my sub from my 2 channel set up some time ago. just this weekend i sold it with no plans to replace. the bass(on my B&W800d's), minus a sub, is deep, tight, great sounding and most importantly real sounding. not over stated or under valued just right, real sounding. my transition has been from 2 channel as a kid and young adult to 7.5 channels with dolby and dts. now returning to my roots, back to 2 channel, non-digetal, non-sub, anolog stereo system as a middle aged vinyl listener. back where i started(other then a much better system). where do i go from here? so if you listen to a 2 channel system with a pair of good full range speakers, toss the sub away. if your into movies and surround sound you can never have enough sub. thats the way i see it anyway.

Dear Bob: +++++ " you don't even have any basic measurements.... " +++++

how do you know that what you are hearing is right in a live music event if you don't have measurements?, well you use the best tools for measure: your experiences ears/brain, through them ( if you have the right know-how. ) you know if things go fine.

I'm not against those kind of measurements but according with your point maybe the Agon forums must dissapear because how can you believe what any one say/talk if they don't have measurements about?

Bob make your music life easy and enjoy it.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.

Dear Koegz: Good for you and this is all about: that any one of us could enjoy what we have in the best way with the best quality performance.

For what you posted I asumme that you was using the sub like a bass reinforcement, right?, which one do you use it?

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.

Hi Raul, How do I know what I am hearing live is correct? Because it is live. How do you know what you are hearing is correct with a recording? Because it is reproduced faithfully. Without freq aberrations from either electronic equipment or the rooms influence. If there is a frequency deviation that is in your equipment or room it is there for every recording. This is incorrect, you must reproduce the recording as it is. If there is a deviation in the original room (recording) this is what you want to hear, but it is only for that particular recording. You do not want your playback/room to alter the original sound. Isn't this why you go for a great freq response in your phono preamp?

Bob