How to properly set VTF??

One final thought.Any feedback is always welcome!Though it is very good to ultimately set by ear,and I do this alot during long listening sessions,isn't it a good idea to finalize our efforts by checking the downforce,after all is tuned?This way (even with some inevitable drift)we can zero in on ultimate parameters quickly.To me,if there is always going to be some slight drift,then it's a matter of easily resetting with a good guage.If this is NOT plausible,then I think I may have to give my CD player more consideration,as I'm not really into tweaking as much as many of you may think.Just food for thought!

Dear friends: For any newcomer to analog and after read all those ( very interesting ) posts about VTF/AS/0.001/VTA issue any one of them would withdraw before to star on analog: very complicated.

Why don't just enjoy the music?

This VTF/VTA/etc/etc can't be perfect or near it. There are many parameters that preclude that:

- we need to know the right load impedance where the cartridge has flat frequency.

- we need to know the right VTF where the coils are precise centered.

- we need to know the right VTA where the frequency is flat and of course with the right VTF and Azimuth.

- what we " meausure/hear " today, tomorrow could be different for the same setup because: suspension changes ( for the use ), stylus wear, record wear, tube wear, etc, etc.

- every record is different and is cutted different and with different thickness.

- all records are concave, so the VTF/VTA change along rhe record ( some of you setup the VTF/VTA-SRA every single record, but this is not enough you have to change in every single track!!! ).

- our ear perception changes every single day: different mood, auditive loss, etc, etc.

- if today we do our analog setup with two other friends in the audio room and tomorrow we do the same with out any of them, the sound reproduction that we hear will be different because we have two less " audio traps " in the audio room.

- etc

- etc!!!!!!!!!

All of you are experienced audio people why don't do an " average " setup and use all the remaining time enjoying the music?

Don't be nuts, you are trying to be perfect on an imperfect medium: you can't have success.

Now, we have severe frequency deviations all over the audio system, at least: 1-2 db on cartridges, 1-2 db on phono stages, 5-10 db on tubes and SUTs, 5-10 db on speaker/room, 5-10 db on tube amplifiers, 1 db on SS amplifiers, 5-10 db on our ears, etc, etc.
If we want a better music/sound quality reproduction ( because is what I think we all wanted ) we have to " touch " every single link on the audio chain to a minimum frequency deviations, then the VTF/VTA-SRA issue means something to be nuts, not before.

wELL, AS i TOLD YOU: WHY DON'T JUST ENJOY THE MUSIC?

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.

Raul, I think that is what I have been trying to say - set the VTF (0.1g accuracy is enough) at any position on the record and then enjoy the music after doing a further adjustment by ear.
Your description of all of the other parameters that might affect the listening experience is also a reason not to go vinyl.
With respect, Bob P.

Hi Raul, you and Bob are right, of course. We should all just relax and enjoy. However, some of us are not new to analog and want to investigate, experiment with this stuff. Far and away the music is the most important thing. If some of us do find a method of setting one of the parameters of a given piece of equipment that yields a better or more consistent result it will have been worth it. Much like experimenting with different types and levels of dampening fluid on some arms.

Anyway, it is all meant to be in taken in good spirits.

Enjoy!

Dear Dan ed: +++++ " However, some of us are not new to analog and want to investigate, experiment with this stuff. " +++++

Yes, I understand this: is part of the " movie ".

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.