New Record Sounds Like Crap - How???


So, having recently dove back into vinyl plaback, I'm replacing some CDs I've liked with the LP version. I just bought a new (sealed) LP: The Tony Bennett Bill Evans Album on the Fantasy label. I don't know where or when it was pressed but, there's so much background noice (not hum, but crackling and hissing) that I thought something was wrong with my stylus. I did clean it - RRL - I think twice even.

I put on another used album I got at the same time (Record Jazz Mart in Chicago): Pat Metheny Group on ECM and after first two tracks, only one noticeable pop. It too has been cleaned well.

My question is, how can a used record sound better than a brand spankin' new record which has even been cleaned?????

If I want something new, do I have to by the $40 180gm 45rpm records?? On a side note, will they sound better? Why?

thanx
pawlowski6132
Jep is undoubtedly correct about the mold-release. The fact that he says "it needs to be cleaned off" may be, for an OLD SEALED record, easier said than done!

I've run into this problem before. If a record is old, oldish, older, whatever ;--) and was played even once or twice when it was new, then most of the (waxy when fresh) mold-release was scraped out of the groove (not the nicest way to get rid of it, but that's the way it's usually removed.) At least it's (mostly) gone.

When an old record has been sealed in it's original packaging for years and years, that mold release dries out, hardens, and may even bind to the vinyl as the solvents slowly come out of the vinyl. And it's a bitch to remove!

You really need to use at least a couple cycles of dish detergent and warm water, scrubbing in the direction of the grooves with a stiff (not a velvet) record cleaning brush. Do this on a towel to avoid wetting the label. Rinse several times using a new cellulose sponge saturated with distilled water, holding the record on edge and rinse/wipe it down while you turn it to keep the label dry.

At this point if you have one, run it thru your record cleaning machine. In any case, you absolutely MUST use Last Record Preservative. I say MUST, because I consider Last a treatment of LAST resort ;--) And this is one of those situations where nothing else will do.

The vinyl is SO dried out, especially because of its age and scrubbing off the old mold release with detergent. If you looked at it under a microscope, it would look like the cracked surface of a desert riverbed after a drought; and it's these cracks, or crazing, that make all the noise. You can't fix these cracks. And you can't fill them. But you CAN close them up. Last Record Preservative (and I have no connection to the company) is the only product I know that actually returns solvent to the vinyl -- re-hydrates it so to speak. The vinyl swells and the cracks close.

Apply judiciously just once. This means don't flood it, but don't be stingy either. Buff it in thoroughly. Play the record twice cleaning the stylus in between. A lot of junk will come out. I used to think the "junk" was excess Last. Now I think it's really "micro-dirt" that gets squeezed out of the cracks when the vinyl swells from the Last.

You will be amazed at the improvement. If it's an especially cherished recording, or it was really noisy, you can try another application of Last after several plays and a trip through your record cleaning machine. But not more than two. That's going to be as good as it gets -- for another twenty years ;--)

Hope this helps.
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There are a host of reasons for the existence or lack of surface noise on a record. Mold release issues might be one of them. However, the record groove has something to do with it as well and how it relates to your cartridge adjustment as Michael Fremer pointed out in a recent issue of Stereophile. I urge you to read that article. While records are often imperfect, at least the surface noise is not in the same frequency band as the music while electronic noise is with cd's. You might want to try Groove Glide II. I have been using this for years. I have demonstrated its superiority to the Last product over and over again to other audiophiles who have also switched. It will help to quiet noisey surfaces and improves sonic impact. Yes, it retards needle wear as well.
Dear Pawlowsky: I know very well that LP ( I own the Mobile Fidelity copy ) and is very clean about any kind of rare noises.

The Fantasy label comes from Acoustic Sounds and I own several Fantasy LP's and some with that kind of problems: no quality control!!!!

But this problem is not only with the Fantasy ( " low price " ) new LP's, I already had severe problems with Acoustic Sounds premium label Analogue productions and in my opinion the problem is the same: no quality control!!!!

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Lots of good advice above, and I can echo the experiences of Jependleton, Nsgarch and Rauliruegas. I have experienced everything they said (except that I've never used Last, or Groove Glide either).

One more thing to try before you decide poor QC and poor vinyl is to blame: an enzyme based cleaner. Strange as it seems, even some newish records have biological contaminants. These usually sound like intermittent snaps, crackles and pops. A thorough dosing with Buggtussel Vinyl-Zyme removes most of them. Follow with RRL as a final step. You need Vinyl-Zyme in your cleaning arsenal anyway. While it's not common for new LP's to need it, it's virtually guaranteed that older ones will.

Good luck,
Doug

I have luck using the aerosol Micro Care Premier record-cleaner as a first-treatment for those older still sealed records described by Nsgarch. At 20 bucks a can its kinda pricey, but it seems to work well for mold release agent. Available wherever fine potions, unquents and lotions are sold - Smart Devices, Acoustics Sounds, Music Direct, etc.

Tim