Teres, redpoint or galibier turntable

Interesting discussion until it went awry. Let's keep it civil gentlemen.

Just to add my 2c, I'm in general agreement with the others above, the Galibier would have been my top choice, except that I'm not in the US, so it was a question of support for me. I do love the quiet of their tables.

I did get to hear the Teres at the RMAF through a less than pristine setup. The thing that struck me was when wood platter was switched for the acrylic(lead shot), there was a marked difference for the better. The wood platter IMO was coloring the sound making the images woolly.

If the Raven was in the same price range, it should be considered seriously too.

Arthur
Much as I do like reading your thoughts on some issues, they are your opinions in the light of the system which you and your associates use. With the multitude of system variables, not to mention differing room acoustics, a recommendation is only valid in the context in which that recommendation is made.

Arthur,
First, of all name calling and the rest is simply childish and akin to what you accused Fremer of doing to you. If that's the course you choose to pursue, go for it.

Now, if you take the time to read my post more carefully it was footnoted with IMO. Like it or not, my opinions are just as valid as yours. Perhaps more so, given your relationship with certain manufacturers.

Like it or not, your blog contains a disproportionate number of reviews, comments, and referrals regarding your Canadian buddy and his products in the context of all the manufacturers/models possibilities at your disposal.

Those are the facts IMO although you might find them to be a Coincidence.

Hi Cmk. Somewhat of a coincidence that I read a similar response on Arthur’s blog to your experience at the RMAF.

Gcj123, I was considering three or the marques you mention, and had a similar budget. If you do have the time (I did not), I would suggest you try audition and speak directly with the manufacturers. I am sure they all could be very good and certainly worth considering.

Due to time constraints and lack of creditable reviews on all except the VPI, I was reduced to reading owners responses/comments. Reading between the lines of the all the “my table is the best” post, I saw a number of statements that I found deeply troubling.

One comment in particular, made by a few of owners, pertained to the inability of unipivots to match/mate well with low compliance carts. This was very strange to me as my experience with unipivots and low compliance cart over a period of many years was the dead opposite. That coupled with the fact that highly knowledgeable individuals like Mr. v.d. Hull himself state that uni-pivots are recommended for low compliance carts, I was left wondering if their experiences were not down to some characteristic or incompatibility of their turntables.

As I mentioned, I was quite rushed so I did not bother to get to the bottom of this, but I suggest you confirm as you may find your tone arm/cart options limited.

Regards
Paul

Well, that's hard to argue with. It's a well known fact that most of us who have bought Teres/Galibier are not quite right.

I think it is important to understand that there is a difference between saying that a low compliance cartridge works on arm X and saying that that same low compliance cartridge works better on arm Y. Sometimes that little difference doesn't come through.

In my case, all of the comparisons I did with uni-pivot with low compliance cartridges was done on a suspended Basis table long before I bought my Galibier.

YMMV

Hi Paul
I don't disagree with that comment on Arthur's blog.

What I'm trying to say is that any recommendation has to be seen in the light of the system's context, especially in the case of TT>Arm>Cart>Phono and Amp>Speaker. Anyone recommending one element of a system should always list the rest of the system, else it is hard to give credit to that comment.

We often have questions raised like which part is more important, but every part of the chain is important and the music you hear at the end is the result of the sum of the parts. So in the context of an analog playback system, the music is only as good as what the weakest link can reproduce. If you start with 100% at the stylus, and the tonearm resonances removes 10%, you cannot get back that 10% down the chain no matter how hard you try.