Teres, redpoint or galibier turntable

Hi Cmk. Somewhat of a coincidence that I read a similar response on Arthur’s blog to your experience at the RMAF.

Gcj123, I was considering three or the marques you mention, and had a similar budget. If you do have the time (I did not), I would suggest you try audition and speak directly with the manufacturers. I am sure they all could be very good and certainly worth considering.

Due to time constraints and lack of creditable reviews on all except the VPI, I was reduced to reading owners responses/comments. Reading between the lines of the all the “my table is the best” post, I saw a number of statements that I found deeply troubling.

One comment in particular, made by a few of owners, pertained to the inability of unipivots to match/mate well with low compliance carts. This was very strange to me as my experience with unipivots and low compliance cart over a period of many years was the dead opposite. That coupled with the fact that highly knowledgeable individuals like Mr. v.d. Hull himself state that uni-pivots are recommended for low compliance carts, I was left wondering if their experiences were not down to some characteristic or incompatibility of their turntables.

As I mentioned, I was quite rushed so I did not bother to get to the bottom of this, but I suggest you confirm as you may find your tone arm/cart options limited.

Regards
Paul

Well, that's hard to argue with. It's a well known fact that most of us who have bought Teres/Galibier are not quite right.

I think it is important to understand that there is a difference between saying that a low compliance cartridge works on arm X and saying that that same low compliance cartridge works better on arm Y. Sometimes that little difference doesn't come through.

In my case, all of the comparisons I did with uni-pivot with low compliance cartridges was done on a suspended Basis table long before I bought my Galibier.

YMMV

Hi Paul
I don't disagree with that comment on Arthur's blog.

What I'm trying to say is that any recommendation has to be seen in the light of the system's context, especially in the case of TT>Arm>Cart>Phono and Amp>Speaker. Anyone recommending one element of a system should always list the rest of the system, else it is hard to give credit to that comment.

We often have questions raised like which part is more important, but every part of the chain is important and the music you hear at the end is the result of the sum of the parts. So in the context of an analog playback system, the music is only as good as what the weakest link can reproduce. If you start with 100% at the stylus, and the tonearm resonances removes 10%, you cannot get back that 10% down the chain no matter how hard you try.

Hi Cmk. I am not eluding that you were disagreeing with Arthur’s blog. English is not my first language and sometimes my postings do not reflect the meaning I intended. My apologies.

I was commenting on the fact that coincidentally both you and Arthur share the same 'unpopular' view, and you both posted on the same thread. The board seems to be frequented by what I can only describe as the audiophile equivalent of 'groupies' for some marques and technologies.

Consequently objective views and opinions are few and far between, and sadly, many times said objective opinions are not tolerated well.

I agree that one should approach a system as a whole, and that it is very likely to find a component that works well in one system, to be somewhat disappointing in another. Recommendations made w/o considering the environment are somewhat risky.

Regards
Paul

Dan, my apologies, I should have mentioned my concerns were based mostly on two Teres owner’s posting on VA. The one owner has subsequently sold his Teres and bought a VPI. The post was not aimed at you.

The said gentlemen had, to my knowledge, no preconceived negative bias toward unipivots/low compliance carts, yet had experienced problems. Since I owned and used (quite successfully I might add) the same arm and cartridge combo one of them had on my VPI, the problem could only be a result of bad setup or an incompatibility with table itself. I have no reason to suspect either gent’s ability to achieve a good arm/cart setup.

You have somewhat consistently, demonstrated a high degree of negative bias towards certain technologies, unipivots being one. Some people just don’t like certain things and I most certainly have no issue with that. I therefore did not consider your personal bias as a reflection of some characteristic of your turntable or cartridge (and still do not).

Regards
Paul