Is analog & vinyl anoying? Is it worht it.

Whart,

What always gets me is the sheer explosiveness of the kickdrum at my local club, even when the band is just warming up. I don't know of any system that recreates this effectively- it is not just a question of 'loud,' or 'dynamic' or 'deep' but all of them, and more.

The vast majority of what is commercially available has been compressed in the recording, mixing and mastering process(especially drums!) - often little more than 10 db of dynamic range is left. So unless you have an unusally dynamic recording you may never hear that live kick drum sound. I would add that professional audio equipment is specifically designed to faithfully handle the extreme dynamic range and loud levels of real instruments (mostly sound reinforcement gear at concerts and studio main farfield monitors - but believe me, properly set up, these can sound quite realistic, even on a kick drum.)

Paul my post was delayed so by the time it got posted you had talked about your previous statement.
But then you go and do it again, if a music lover who is going on 70 years old would like a remote so his ageing body does not have to get up to make small adjustments he isnt a true music lover?????
I for example am disabled but I dont have a tube pre with remote, but if I could afford one I would get one as it would help me. Sorry I guess I am not a music lover.

Paul, So long as we are really only talking about which format can produce the highest quality sound we have nothing to argue about.

I just snagged some tickets to hear MTT do M7 in SF - Mahlerphiles eat your heart out!. To get ready I'm going to have to put his previous recording on one of my CDP's. If I was going to hear a performance done by Levine, I'd have to get out my LP of his performance. For me, that is all audio is really about, giving us pale but often satisfying sonic images of what a live performance might be like if we could attend.

Do post about music. The one thing this hobby really needs is an infusion of enthusiasm for music, especially jazz and classical. It won't get more popular if we just talk about audio.

Peace. Have a better day.

Chadnliz you are missing my point. For a normal abled person, listening to vinyl has a very small amount of effort over CD – clamp LP, dry brush the LP, the queue the arm, lower the arm, walk back to chair. Somebody that will consciously accept lower quality sound to eliminate this very minor effort, is simply not serious about music.

Each person has limits to the amount of time, effort and money they can spend on something they are passionate about. If you have mobility problems and either totally unable to adjust, or have great difficulty at adjusting a non-remote preamp, it makes no sense not having a remote.

For a normal able bodied person, you are not serious about music if you purposefully get an inferior preamp instead of a superior one for no reason other than convenience of a remote. However, if all things are equal, then I'd get the one with remote without question.

I normally build my own gear. A remote attenuator cost about $500. I can buy better sounding manual stepped attenuator for $100. Which do I buy? $400 can buy some very nice capacitors. Hence, no remotes near my system ... The small inconvenience of the manual unit is worth the better sound.

Regards
Paul

+++ So long as we are really only talking about which format can produce the highest quality sound we have nothing to argue about. +++

Newbee, that isn't the topic of the thread. Superiority of vinyl was accepted but rejected as a medium because of inconvenience.

+++ For me, that is all audio is really about, giving us pale but often satisfying sonic images of what a live performance might be like if we could attend. +++

My, that is sad. I don't claim my system can produce an identical reproduction of the real thing, but it sure gets me 'there'. Not pale at all.

+++ Do post about music. The one thing this hobby really needs is an infusion of enthusiasm for music, especially jazz and classical. +++

The best live performances I have attended has been in my own home as an audience of one. And that is not something I care to share.

Regards
Paul