OK, record is now clean, how about the Stylus?

Sjungdahl, So what information of value was provided? Please go into detail, as I'd like hearing a logical explanation from you why this info provided seems to make total sense to you, and that you're sold on RW's thoeogy, that everybody else here is wrong, and he is right?

One thing that is very evident, neither of you have ever used a Magic Eraser, have you?

When you have, when you have conclusive results-findings, then do please come back, and give us the low down, cause I would be definitely interested to hear about them.

There's only one true way to learn, as others here have, experience. No, many didn't work at some Stereo Shop, cleaning, and examining Cartridges for others, they invested thier hard earned money, in some cases literal tens of thousands of dollars, and found out for themselves.

I suggest you find out for yourself as well, I did.
Nothing but ME, and a Stylus Brush will ever touch my Cartridges again.

There are good people here who are trying to educate-teach, but of course these people are all wrong, correct?

One has to come to thier own conclusions, and decide "What is Diamonds, and what is BS".

So if a stylus gunks up after 5-10 LPs, how does it happen? Does it keep some kind if counter, decide it's been enough plays and so allows the gunk attach? Or, does it happen little by little with each play? What makes more sense to you?

Markd51,
Thank you for making my point so obvious.
Please go on.

You may want to really read the post.
I wrote - "I don't necessarily know which is the absolute right - nobody does (apparently some believe they do), but thanks for the info."
Somehow you read - "seams to make total sense" to me

I simply thanked the gonner for his info.

Lighten up, that's the point and thank you again for giving a perfect example of, "gonners that cannot keep themselves in lanes of civility".

To Mark, this has been my experience with the Zerodust. If I lower the cartridge into the Zerodust with 2.5 gm of VTF on my Denon 103R cartridge, the whole stylus and cantilever dip into the gummy stuff; when I lift it out gently, you can see the stylus "pull away" from the cantilever slightly, and that seems to me to be "bad". If I raise the Zerodust into the stylus, I can, with a magnifier, get everything off the stylus, not touch the cantilever, and the stylus hardly budges..so in my simplistic brain, that seems safer to the cartridge. It takes a gentle touch I guess, but I haven't broken the Denon yet.

Sjungdahl, I'm trying to be as civil as possible, and asked you some sensible questions. There were no answers, meaning you refuse to answer. Who's then uncivil?

This is not unlike the Cleaning Fluid Posts, in that everybody seems to have the right answer, the right formula, and of course thiers exceeds all others, and those who shell out respectable money for good trusted cleaners are stupid gullible fools, who let themselves be suckered by snake oil salesmen, correct?

Yet, there are some who would believe that we are trying to "snake oil sucker" people here to buy a $2 Box of Mr Clean? And that these many users "dream" this product works most effectively? Then you must then believe everybody here, and other too numerous to count believers of the ME must then have brass ears, or are just plain stupid?

I fully understand this camp's train of thought/mindset, that many in this camp are unswerving in thier beliefs, and regardless if folks like J, Carr of Lyra and the many other "true-real" experts came in here, told you "no, don't use any liquids, then what would one do"? Again disbelieve this person, and say, "oh, what the heck does he know"? Of course! lol That's how some people really do think, don't doubt it for a second.

Within the last 10-20 years, Cartridges have made considerable advances. As well, they have also become considerably more delicate, and easy to damage.
One wouldn't take a Lyra Skala, a ZYX UNIverse, Dyna XV-1. Koetsu, Miyabi, throw it on a Technics 1200, and start doing the Herbie Hancock "Rock-It" tune. They wouldn't last 30 seconds.

As I close, the best "civil" advice I can give to you, RW, and all others wishing to further investigate, is to invest some time here, and there, read some of the archive posts on liquid cleaners, in the various forums, read about Mr Clean ME, Stylus Damage, etc, read what manufacturers of modern Cartridges suggest.

I am sorry if it has appeared that I'm somehow talking down to you, or any other poster in this thread. I don't profess to be a rocket scientist, or any smarter than the regular average guy. Yet I use the product, and will continue using the ME, as I personally feel this is the best choice I can make, regardless of cost.

After shelling out considerable money for two new Cartridges in the past four months, a Benz Ruby 3, and a ZYX Airy 3X SB, would you think I actually care about the relative "minute" cost of a bottle of Stylus Cleaner? Mark