SME V, Tri-Planar or Phantom B-44


To be mounted on a Raven AC (only one arm) what is your system or choice. No way will I get a chance to listen to any of these where I live (France). So would like any of you here to feed opinions.

My system is :

Raven AC
Nagra VPS
Nagra PL-L
Nat Audio SE1 (SET 211 tube)
Wilson Audio WP 5.1

I would be using a Lyra Argo i

Thanks
Tim
timnaim
Downunder,

The Raven and Triplanar sounds great. No complaints.however I can't really say if they gel together because I haven't tried any other arms. The triplanar has been my first and only. Guess I'm lucky in this regard. My interest in the Phantom is based on some feedback that it mates well with the Raven. But I suspect that the cartridge arm mating is probably much more important.

Andrew
Dear Andrew: Nice to hear from you again. Yes, I agree with you Raven/Triplanat works very good, last time I heard that combo was on SD in Mark's place ( :http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?eanlg&1219677256 ) really good and like you say it is critical with which cartridge you mate it or any other tonearm.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
I'm surprised that the Basis Vector hasn't been mentioned in this thread, a worthy comparator to the Phantom, and some say better.

I would also say that more "true" detail, IOW true transparency, as opposed to "edge", is not a bad thing. To the contrary, as long as it is presented naturally, it is an indication of superiority.
From experience, I know that even the tiniest change in a setup parameter (e.g., .3 mm change in height of the arm) will make a substantial difference in sound. I would bet that if one set up two "identical" arms on "identical" tables with "identical" cartridges, one would get a quite different results -- either the sound would be different or setup parameters would be quite different to get matching sound. Therefore, I have serious doubts that someone can make side-by-side comparisons that are reliable.

What then should one rely on in making a choice? At best, I think one has to go with personal experience (if one hears a good setup, it must be the case that the particular arm, and any other component in the setup, is capable of good sound in the right setup). Also, a rough consensus from people that have heard a wide range of systems is helpful.

I went with the Vector arm because an audio distribution representative personally recommended the Basis arm and table even though he does not represent the products (he has heard literally hundreds of systems and has very good ears). I have managed to work my combination of arm, table (Vector Basis Debut vacuum), Lyra Titan cartridge, and Viva Fono phonostage) into a very good sounding rig, but, I bet I could have great results with all the other arms under consideration.

A friend with a Basis 2500 table with two arms (Vector and Phantom) HATES the Phantom arm (to him it sounds lifeless and dark) and much prefers the 2.2 arm that the Phantom replaced. I would bet that this is a setup issue myself; I intend to help him work out the problems.

I have heard all three arms in question myself in systems that were well sorted and liked the sound. I would bet that any would be workable. Among people I've talked to personally there tends to be more polarized opinions about the Phantom and and the SME than the Triplanar. If the Triplanar is not someone's absolute favorite, it is still up near the top. The same can also be said of the Vector arm.
One thing for sure the damping fluid on the Phantom can make or break the tonearm / cartridge synergy. Using the recommended amount of damping fluid as per the manual is not the "right" way to go. I used much less. I would honestly suggest close to none for some cartridges.