Record is noisier after cleaning:

I've bought the MoFi (formerly RRL) Deap cleaner from my dealer. He did not have the Super Vinyl Wash in stock though.

Is the deap cleaner ok to use on new records? Or should I only use the vinyl wash on new records?

I've got some pure water ( 1 PPM Total dissolved solids) from a water supplier. They say it's used by medical and clincal environments. I plan to do 2 or more rinses with the pure water after the deap cleaner. Or should I wait and get the Super Vinyl Wash when my dealer gets it in stock?

I've got two brushes now. The original VPI version which I plan to use for the rinsing and a clearaudio brush (that's the only one my dealer had) which is thin with vinyl on it which I plan to use for the deap cleaner. I am still only using a single pick up tube though not sure if I should get another one. All this money is adding up. I think I've spent close to the same amount of money on cleaning as the Turntable itself.

I thought this was all going to be simple and straightforward when I got the VPI RCM! And then my dealer gave me a recipe for RCF so I thought great that ought to same me a bunch of money. But it's got Windex in it so that's going down the drain (a waste of $12)

Who new there was a whole world of Vinyl cleaning waiting for me out there to completely overwhelm me with all the choices.

Now I want to clean my records but am gun shy that I am going to do something wrong and ruin them.

Schugh,

It's great to see someone trying new things and asking good questions. Unfortunately, you missed some of the good advice given above, specifically by Albert Porter and Markd51.

Regarding the MoFi (formerly RRL) Deep Cleaner and Super Vinyl Wash, Albert, I and many others on this forum were satisfied users of those products for years, but no longer. Better performing products have become available in the past two years or so. The old RRL DC and SVW are gathering dust on our shelves.

MoFi DC did a reasonable cleaning job, but it doesn't come close to the effectiveness of enzyme based cleaners from AIVS, MoFi or Walker. Any of these will outperform DC by a significant margin. If I'd known you were going to buy DC I'd have sold you my 3 leftover bottles for half price (and I'd still feel guilty about ripping you off).

As for SVW, my recommendation is to avoid it. I have over 2,000 LP's cleaned with DC and rinsed with SVW. I'm recleaning every single one of them with AIVS Enzymatic to remove the residue SVW leaves behind. This residue is deceptive because you can't hear it directly; it actually makes the record surface quieter and the sound smoother. Unfortunately, it also smothers HF response and quashes dynamics. Once it's removed, the improvement in musical detail, life and "jump" is very noticeable. SVW won't damage your records, but it will prevent you hearing all the music that's on them.

My recommendation? Buy AIVS Enzymatic plus either Super Cleaner or Premium Archivist. Use them as directed, followed by two rinses with your super pure water (which may or may not be as pure as the water from AIVS, MoFi or Walker).

As a second, less costly option, consider AIVS One-Step, followed by two rinses.

Whatever fluids you settle on, use a separate brush for each solution. At a minimum you must use a separate pickup tube for the pure water rinses. Using a tube with grunged up felts for a "pure" water rinse defies logic (and will defeat the whole purpose).

Unfortunately, doing vinyl well is not cheap. You've obviously caught the bug and we feel for you. We've all been there and, sadly, most of us have no desire to escape!

only clean a record when it really needs it, and a manual cleaning works just fine. any type of record 'juice' should be a last resort.

In my opinion , poster albertporter suggested the correct diagnosis; the cleaning with a RCM only partially disolved the mold release compound(s) & other debris from the manufacturing process. I suggest these options : Do nothing , reclean with fluids suggested by other posters, use the Merrill GEM System w/ his cleaning solutions or steam clean . It is always possible the recording has noise embedded from the manufacturing and that is a bit of a curse for analog folks. Should you become a lifelong LP collector these options (and others) will be of some help. All the best.

To respond to Roydavis's post, and in regards to cleaners using Alcohol in thier formulations, I'm certainly no expert on the topic, so please don't ask me for hard scientific data to support any claims, pro, or con.

I reckon one must decide personally what they want in thier cleaners, and most good companies will disclose the basic ingredients.

From what I know, is that yes, Alcohol can be detrimental to vinyl, and I would gather that the important thing, is what type-grade, how much Alcohol is in a formulation, and how long it would be left on the surface?

While I know MFSL didn't use it in past formulations, one will fond that two of the very best vinyl cleaners, AIVS, and Walker do. In fact, it was mentioned here not long ago, about Walker's newest rave, the new Final Rinse they came out with, and as I understand it, this product contains small trace amounts of Alcohol.

I know just enough, to know that Alcohol supposedly doesn't do as much as one would assume it does, being a grease remover, but one characteristic, is that it acts as a Surfactant, making water "wetter", reducing surface tension.

I know there are other things that it does, supposedly helping lift-seperate the nasties (I think) from the vinlyand perhaps Jim P of AIVS might chime in to explain these scientific explanations, which I'm so poor at doing.

Evidently, the Lab Chemists-etc at AVIS, and Walker have determined that Alcohol is safe in thier formulations, provided that one properly follows thier directions. Mark