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Subsonic Rumble Solutions

I know many of you have tried to address this issue. Short of buying or building a subsonic filter (that will/may negatively affect your transparency) - what methods reduce subsonics (meaning the pumping of woofers and subs when a record is playing)?

My system:
I have a DIY VPI Aries clone with a 1" thick Corian plinth, a Moerch DP6 tonearm and Dynavector 20X-H cartridge. This sits on a maple shelf. The shelf sits on squash balls. The balls sit on another maple board floating in a 3" deep sand box. All this on a rack spiked to a cement floor. The phono stage is a Hagerman Trumpet (no built in subsonic filter and very wide bandwidth). I use the 1 piece Delrin clamp on the TT. Yes, I clean records thoroughly and there are no obvious warps, especially after being clamped.

So my isolation is very good - no thumps or thwacks on the rack coming through the speakers. But if I turn the sub on I get that extra low end pumping on some records that hurts my ears. Mostly I leave the sub off when playing vinyl, but I would like to use it if possible.

There was some brief discussion of this on Albert Porter's system thread. I'm hoping to get more answers here.

So ... what methods have you tried to reduce subsonics that you have found effective?

Thanks,
Bob
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eldartford
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The pumping woofer does not just use up available amplifier power. It gives rise to "Dopler distortion" because the advancing and retreating cone is also reproducing higher frequencies, which are modulated by the cone movement.

Get a rumble filter. Cheap and easy.
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mapman
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Maril,

Yes, it is a valid concern worth investigating.
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islandmandan
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The solution I just got around to using is a good, and easy one, though somewhat expensive. I just a day or so ago changed the equalization from standard RIAA to IEC in my Simaudio LP 5.3 phono pre, which has the filter built in. What a difference! Needless to say, I recommend getting and using a subsonic filter.

Dan
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Here's an update. I bumped into Michael fremer. he suggested adding some Bluetac or Moretite to the headshell, effectively increasin the mass of the tonearm and changing the compliance. unfortunately this didn't change anything.

another suggestion was to take the TT off the rack and put it right on the floor, to see if there was some rack related issues. No dice.

Another friend, Wes Bender, has a VERY high end system (Hanson's, Redpoint TT, etc.) said he sees the pumping also, but figures it's just part of the medium and so ignores it. I'm afraid he's right and that some kind of subsonic filter would be the only real solution.

So, live with it or build a filter. Lets see what the New Year brings. There may be a project in my future.

Bob
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mapman
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FWIW, some speaker manufacturers build subsonic filters into their speaks as a way of tightening up the low end by filtering out low end frequencies that the speaks are not designed to reproduce accurately. That is another possible reason why some do not observe this phenomena on their system. It is a true statement though that it is inherent to the medium. For example, I believe Ohm does this with newer design speakers that employ their "sub bass activator" circuit internally.
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