Yet another VPI 16.5 thread


I am considering buying an RCM and am looking at the VPI 16.5. I was looking at some of the threads about it here on A-Gon and I still had some questions.

As best I can tell this thing works by mannually applying the cleaner and the all the machine really does is vacuum it off? Is this correct or is there some other function to the machine? Does it have a resevoir for the used fluid that can them be emptied?

The one thing that concerns me is build quality. There are a lot of people who seem to have them long-term without trouble, but there also seem to be some folks who get them to find wires detached and other QC issues. Does reliability seem to be an ongoing issue with these things?

Finaly, would there be an advantage to spending a little more on somthing like the Sota machine which is a two-arm automatic application setup? The main disadvantage that I can see with automatic application is that it only pumps one kind of fluid, where with a manual machine you can easily use a multi-step process like the Walker system.

Thanks!
grimace
I recommend VPIs 16.5 highly. I am using mine with a hand held steamer and have been using 16.5 this way for quite a while. No ill effects from the spray are evident. 16.5 is loud but so are most every vacuum ive used. Save the money needed to acquire a more expensive unit and buy more vinyl.

The only extras for my 16.5 are another tower and tube for the last rinse. Another platter cover for the first side cleaned to be removed when cleaning the second side. I use these to reduce contamination spread. Also i use three VPI 17f brushes with my steam cleaning method. One for wash/steam one for 1st rinse and the last for final rinse.

I have cleaned lps in many different ways but for my ears steaming along with lab grade water for rinse included with your vinyl cleaning method produces the best sounding and quietest lps yet IMO.

Like most RCM users once you get one you will wonder why it took so long to make the move. If you are a lp buyer and get a fair amount of lps or have a large collection that needs cleaning this is when you know you made the right decision on a RCM purchase.
OK. Couple other questions. It seems that a cork mat would not be the ideal material for the mat because dirt, etc. could get into it and contaminate the newly cleaned side-one as you do side-two. I see the cork can be replaced. Does anyone use a different type of mat that is easier to keep clean? Something rubber perhaps that can be washed?

Also: Can you clean the vacuum brush and/or how often do you have to replace it?

Thanks for everyone's responses. It does seem to be overwhelmingly possitive.
Grimace, I've gone through about 360 LPs so far in my collection, trying to "thin the herd" so to speak, with AIVS Cleaners, and I am still using the original Wand for the AIVS Cleaners, with original Velvet Strips, and they look no worse for wear than when they were brand spanking new. Replacement Strips can be gotten from the Disc Doctor at a reasonable cost, that are a simple peel, and stick for the Vacuum Wand.

I pre-clean any "deadbeat" LPs gotten used from the thrifts, with an AQ Carbon Fiber Brush, and Canned Air.

I, like you, was concerned about a Cork Mat, that would only become dirtier over time, and I set out to do something about it. I believe your ideas hold promise, that a Rubber Mat can be easier to clean whenever one feels the need.

I purchased 1/16" self adhesive backed Neoprene Sheeting from Mcmaster-Carr, and also had a machinist friend fabricate a bramd new Acrylic Platter, cloning the MDF VPI 16.5 Platter. His work of course is impeccable, but the Rubber Sheeting I bought could have been better quality. Evidently, there's different grades, and I must've "cheaped out" only spending about $9 per 12"x12" sheet. I currently got my eye on some better grade Neoprene, that will cost me nothing, but will mean adhering the Mat with a Spray contact cement Adhesive to the new Acrylic Platter.

Thinking about it some, I think I'm over-obsessed about the worry of ever changing such a good mat in the future, and trying to get it off the Platter if I ever needed to.

The good quality Neoprene Mat should last quite a number of years without a worry to be had. A simple wipe with a lint free cloth, and you should be good to go.

As I close, and in restrosepct, there was probably no advantage that I went to a Acrylic Platter versus the MDF, other than a material that has been lathe turned and will never warp with submersion with fluids . The machine won't clean any better, and the MDF Platter shouldn't go bad, unless you take the 16.5 for a swim in the pool.

I'll try soon, to have Jim Pendelton of Osage-AIVS post some pics of the Platter, and Neoprene Mat on his website, complimenting the Fan Mod Article he kindly placed there for me. Mark
Hi All,

Instead of changing the mat when cleaning the 2 sides of an LP, I am using a throw away LP (after cleaning) as the mat for my VPI 17. Since the mat (LP) is thicker at the lip and the label section, the grooved areas should never touch each other, so there should be no contamination. It works well for me so far.
I have a HW-19 Jr. platter. Can it be fitted in place of the mdf platter? How do I do that?

Wendell