Linn LP-12 still competitive with the very best?

Redhunter,

I'm curious what cartridges have you used in comparison between Axis and LP12 and with which tonearms and corresponding phono pre?

IS it an apples/apples comparison of equally well matched cartridge to tonearm in each case and playing through same system otherwise?

I always wonder when tables sound different how much is the table itself as opposed to the overall synergy among table, cart, and tonearm, which is always very key IMO.

Hi Mapman, i have used a K9 and a Goldring 1042 in both decks and the results are pretty much the same. The LP12 sounds better. The arms are Ittok LV11 on the LP12 and Akito on the Axis. The 1042 sounds great on both decks by the way. Recently i tried a Denon 103R on the LP12 and it was pretty good but in some ways not as good as the 1042. This was replaced after 4 months by an Audio Technica AT33PTG after i broke the cantilever on the 103R. The AT33PTG is definitely the best cartidge i have owned and really sings on the LP12. I will not try to fit it to the Axis because the headshell on the Akito is quite small and it would be a very tight fit, as was the Denon 103R. The Goldring is now back on the Axis and still sounding good with a newly run in stylus but the LP12/Audio Technica is a lot better. I was very happy with my Axis and bought an LP12 to satisfy my curiosity with all the hype, having wanted one for 25 years!. I drove 200 miles to pick it up, to avoid damage in transit, and i was dissapointed at first listening. I set it up over a few weeks and changed the oil and have never looked back. I keep the Axis to play 45's and to play less than perfect records on but always actually listen to the LP12.
My phono stages are all home made. I have 5 or 6 of them, all battery powered. One is moving coil only but i also have built a moving coil step up stage that can be used with any of the other moving magnet versions. I have to say that they all sound very good. In this case the phono stage is not the issue as i have swapped them between decks many times during their development.

Eee3 Your arrogance stands a head above all other linn owner's. I have just finished reading the posting from uktel, about Linn's unfair marketing advantage in the UK, by not allowing their table to be compared with other's.That should say it all, yet this will never convince the linn devotee out there that his linn has become an anvil being held up by blind sentiment. A product that still uses an outmoded science with backward technology. A company that refuses to investigate to use of better materials that continues to use the same old suspension system developed 35years ago.That even to this day is susceptible to "FOOT FALLS", and all are given the same tired story of "just follow the tune".

Redhunter,

I have an old Goldring cart of some kind on my old Dual 1264 on my second 2 channel a/v system and it too sounds really good in particular with the phono stage on the vintage Yamaha cr-420 receiver I have been using of late. Prior to the Yammy, when used with built in Tandberg and NAD phono stages, I always thought of it as just OK. Synergy was everything in this particular case. IT absolutely sings like never before now and though it sounds different, I find it equally enjoyable in its own way as the Axis/Denon combo in my main rig.

Schipo, The last time I checked, we live in a free enterprise society(at least in the free world)
What that means is you have the option to buy a product or not to buy! Linn is not putting a gun to anyone's head making them buy their turntable.
Based on the responses you've read on this forum thread, you should have by now gathered that people who buy linn tables and keep them do so because they like the way they sound, which is the bottom line in any audio purchase. Folks are not interested in whether or not its the latest technology.
If that were the case, tube amp sales would not be flourishing and have been doing so for the last 10-15 yrs.
Again, its old antiquated technology but folks that like the tube amp sound buy them for that reason period!!
Folks that buy a linn table from a reputable dealer I'm sure have the opportunity to demo it and if they don't like it they can bring it back. I don't consider that an unfair marketing advantage.
Finally, if you don't like linn tables(which is obvious) that's fine but what's not fine is you trying to make everyone else not like them just because you don't.
Life is about options and everyone has the option to buy whatever they want. And please don't talk about arrogance because anyone who has read your responses surely can see who is exuding arrogance.