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Would love some thoughts on how to upgrade my gear

Hi all,

I have been a lurker here for a while to try to learn about this hobby. I only started to really get into it this summer. I had only listened mainly to computer speakers and car audio until then. I mainly listen to rock music, sometimes some acoustic stuff, but mainly rock. I exclusively listen to vinyl so that is where I want to focus all my energy and dollars.

As of right now I have a system consisting of Klipsch Forte II speakers (upgraded xovers from DeanG and Crites titanium tweeters), Rega P1(w/Denon Dl160 cart), and Fisher 400 (rebuilt by Craig Otsby).

I feel like this gives me a pretty nice sound as is but I have a real curiosity for what I am possibly missing. I have never really heard any high end gear so I don't know how mine stacks up. I also want to make sure that I don't get anything so analytical where the only thing that sounds good are audiophile recordings.

I first decided that I really need to upgrade my TT. I was thinking I would go with a P5, but am not sure if it is worth the extra money compared to a P3-24. Or if I should go in a different direction entirely. The one reason I wanted to stick with Rega is that my dealer will give me 80% back on my P1 as well as installing my cart since I don't know how to do that. I was thinking I would like to stick with my Denon cart for now.

So then I realized that I probably couldn't get all the performance of the P5 without upgrade my phono stage. So I then began to look at the Bottlehead kits. I have never soldered before but figured it might be fun to try to put their Seduction kit together. I wasnt't sure if this would be very good or if it wouldn't have enough gain for the Denon. Also, I didn't know if the seduction would really be a step up from my Fishers phono stage. I was getting really jazzed about trying out Bottlehead gear until I talked to my dealer. He said that SET isn't really the greatest for as it can be slow and has difficulty presenting rock music correctly.

I then was told all about Naim gear and he had me pretty convinced that it would really sound great. It was very intriguing as it sounds like some of that vintage gear can sound great and not be super expensive. Although I'm not sure how good it would sound with my Forte IIs.

So all in all, I guess I am kind of confused about what I should do. One minute I think I have my mind made up until I learn about something else. Or about some flaw of some gear I am considering.

I was just hoping to hear some opinions from those that are much more knowledgeable than I am. I'm sorry if this was a little long, I was just trying to give as much detail to work with as possible.

Thanks so much!
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srwooten
694 posts
 
Long is good so you get the answers you wanted. One thing you did not mention is budget. How old is your TT? Even though your dealer will give you good trade in, if you don’t like the step up it's not worth it. But Rega does make a good TT, and more $ spent = more better in the Rega line for the most part.

Tell your dealer what you feel you’re missing (bass, air, smooth highs, whatever) and get his input. Hopefully you can listen to upgrades there and see if you think that would be a good direction to go. Bring your own LP's to audition, as you know how they sound (pops and all) on your kit.

Also- don't be afraid to try and set up your own cart. It's really not that hard, just takes time and being careful. Here is a link with good TT set-up advice:

TT Set-up

Hope this helps!
elevick
2,636 posts
 
Have you tried tube rolling? You can really change the sound of the 400. What tubes are in there now? Changing your phono stage tubes from Sovteks to something like telefunken is a huge difference.
tobias
1,534 posts
 
Your gear sounds pretty well tuned from your description. The next step up may well come at some cost.

I have never really heard any high end gear so I don't know how mine stacks up.

So, as long as this is the case, buying anything is taking a chance. You might like it or you might not. Maybe you don't want to risk this if the next step is very costly.

For my 2 cents, then, you need to meet other audiophiles near you and get acquainted with their systems. If you post where you live, maybe someone can help you contact a club, for example.

There's no lack of good stuff to try, but it's the combinations that make the magic. (That, and room treatments. If you don't know which way to go but must do something, treat your room.)
chayro
2,997 posts
 
Internet advice is great, but ultimately, you're going to have to wander through the world of hi-end yourself and assemble a system that fits your tastes and budget. Unless you're in the "price no object" category, there are going to be some compromises and you have to experiment to find what makes you happy. Your dealer is offering you a nice trade-in. I would personally go for the P5, as you can never go wrong upgrading your source. The P5 with the outboard controller and a good cart should keep you happy for a long time - at least from a vinyl standpoint.
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