Enough detail or too much?


When I go to listen to the orchestra play, the music never sounds as detailed as it does in some high end systems. The closest thing that I have heard to the "real thing" are some of the older nos tubes. There is some smearing but real orchestras do sound somewhat smeared. It seems like the area to get right are the violins. If you can get the violins to sound silky and smooth, that would be the way it sounds, to me at least. Bass always seems to sound somewhat boomy in a big music hall. The instrument that seems the most difficult to reproduce are pianos. I do not know how any system can reproduce the sound of a real piano, at any price. The weight of the notes are so unique, I have heard some extremely high end systems and none get it really right. Just curious how others feel.
tzh21y
No arguments from me in general.

Seriously, how can one expect an orchestra playing on a system in most listeners rooms to sound like the real thing in a large concert hall? Its not possible. There is too much difference in scale. Even with a fantastic recording, most any home system will scale down the performance in some way to get it to "fit" and be presentable in a much smaller listening room. That's just the way it is. Pick your reproduction and enjoy it, but the fact is it is only a reproduction and all reproductions give up something.

I agree it can be hard to get violins in orchestral recordings to sound smooth and natural when they should. This is an area that I believe good tube amplification can often help, at least that was the case in my system.



And yes, pianos are very dynamic and hard to get right but I've heard it done pretty well on various systems including mine.
Read the article by Robert Greene. It gives good insights into how and why recorded music doesn't sound like a good concert hall seat.
I agree with you on all of this. On the detail front, what I think you're hearing with a live orchestra is a multi source phenomenom. Each instrument (point source) has its own individual dimension of sound (image), mixing all these individual images tends to homogenize the sound to some extent, you don't generally hear individual instruments.

Audio systems compress this multi-dimensional sound into a stereo soundstage, images are much less dimensional than the 'real' thing, thus, there is less of this homogenizing effect. Perhaps this less integrated/holistic sound causes the brain to focus more on detailed information of individual instruments, missing imaging cues might evoke a different listening process.

I would think it has something to do with imaging because there is even greater detail with live music, we just don't hear it as such.