Anti skate and tonearm damping query


I have read a number of threads relating to both antiskating and tonearm damping on the JMW 9" Sig.arm and find myself a bit confused.......I have been experimenting a little and have reached the conclusion that I must be deaf. I have not used the additional antiskating system, I have tried twisting and not twisting the leno wire and can hear no difference. If the Leno wire is not twisted therefore no antiskate, will this damage the stylus or the album??
I have also filled the damping well above the taper to the base of the point and still cannot hear 'the music being sucked out' or indeed, an improvement. Do I fill the well up to the point!! and then work backwards. Those that finetune using the damping seem to have some sort of epiphany when the 'sweet' spot is reached.

Can someone please shed light on how I should be going about setting the AS and finetuning the damping on the arm. The table is a scoutmaster with super platter and sds, the cartridge is the dynavector Te Kaitora Rua

Thanks
wes4390
Axel, that is in the general accepted model I mentioned.
To illustrate the point:
an uni-pivot tonearm with no lateral balance and an offset (be it in the way of a S- or J-shaped pipe or an offset headshell mounting area on an otherwise straight arm-pipe) "head" would - if viewed from the front towards the cartridge mounted - "swing" down with its right side over the long axis till it finds a position in gravity.
This "down-swing" over the right side does cause the force towards the inner groove wall (left....- viewed from the front).
Now - if this obvious tendency is (just as a hypothesis...) completely (even the technical books aren't very detailed here, but the general term used - even in old AES literature - is, that the bearing in general does not "completely support (address)" this torque movement) counter-balanced at or in the bearing, we would see no longer an additional friction at the inner groove wall which would be rooted in the offset.
This model would indeed require a design which does feature a lateral balance option which would be able to counter-balance the downforce initialized by the offset.

The "actual friction force" we see on pivot tonearms is (I am careful now...) "maybe" not only a matter of the offset.
As this force is in my 30 years long experience quite different in different tonearm designs (mounted with identical cartridge and stylus and VTF) I believe (I am careful again....) that there is still more to it than just the force initialized by the offset of the pivot tonearm's geometry.

All I want to suggest (carefully....) is that maybe there is more and that we - maybe - settled to soon with an explanation which - maybe - does not address all parameters.

I will get a Wacom touch board next week - then I can draw the whole model and try to illustrate the point by graphics.

Cheers,
D.
Hi Pär,

the vinyl is indeed kind of soften and expanding its surface due to the heat of the stylus .
That is an old problem noticed by record companies as long back as the middle 1950ies. Thats why records do suffer from repeated playback (especially single tracks played over and over again in a row - which BTW is a (smaller) problem with CDs too....) - the vinyl has no "time" to "recover" (read: return into its original form and cooling down completely).
Thats why it is so important - aside from recovering the most tiny detail information engraved - that the stylus is as perfect aligned as possible.
A misaligned stylus does obvious create much more "problems" to the softened vinyl groove wall.
An while friction may be linear to VTF, the pure kinetic force on the groove wall is a result of down-force divided by contact area. The largest contact area (and resulting lowest force on the groove WALLS (plural..) in A GIVEN RECORD is in the groove-compliant VTA.
Means - even if not all agree on the sonic benefits of a certain VTA for a certain record, it is in this very situation, that we have the least "pressure" (VTF divided by contact area) on the walls of the record groove.

Cheers,
D.
Ok,
more "off-set" friction.
I'm lost, but learned to be stuck, just being with the question :-)

More to learn as it seems. So thank you all for your patience and kind participation, massaging my lack of awareness in this matter.

Axel