TW-Acustic Arm

Hi Wini, - o.k. first of all: Syntax you won the bet ...
If TW and Mr. Wiedemann do think they have designed - based on their knowledge... - the ultimate tonearm as they do understand it, this is certainly great for them, but not my problem.
There will certainly be enough "claqueures" (sic....) in their camp to further promote those ultimate products.
Fine.
We will see in due course - in 1-2 years - the used market price for the TW 10.5 (because there will be enough first hand buyers who will part again in due course with this ultimate tonearm...).
That will be the first real judgement.
We will see.
BTW - TW has sent me 3 emails as PM yesterday and congratulated me on my expertise and in-depth knowledge of his products and their flaws and virtues.
So you see - he and me, we really are on good terms.
That one quote of you however is puzzling:
***It has nothing in common with products, which components where bought in for cheap and sold in a shiny package for a lot of money (e.g.stepups from a Bavarian seller).***

I don't understand..... you mentioned (and I know that was true at least yesterday..) that TW is based in Herne/North-Rhine Westfalia.......... is he now about to move to Bavaria ?

You mistake my comments in one vital point. I am not in here for bashing any products for the joy of it.
What I can't stand is that every decent new launched product is hailed as the holy grail and the "ultimate".
I look at those products (mechanical ones - TTs and tonearms - NOT amplifiers) and see off hand several aspects of its design which I know do compromise its performance.
That is the reason why I ask for some earned laurels first before allowing any product to be called state-of-the-art right away.
Well - in any case, in early summer you are most welcome to discuss here a turntable I have designed and which will be presented here on Audiogon as well as in some international audio magazines.
It has 4 times the price tag of the TW's Black Night - so most german audiophiles won't be able to afford it.
However they will learn a lot about turntables.
But they won't like it at all......

I must say that the enjoyment factor here is very high. Let's raise it to the next level and have a meet, facetime. You know... Internet cameras, etc. The real deal.

I'll host it. A webinar: gratis from moneyrec.com. You have to have a webcam so we can see your face and thus get the truth and the lies out in the open. We can first congrat Thuchan on his purchase, we can then needle Raul as to where his tonearm vaporwear is, next to Dertonarm and his groudbreaking table and way to lose his retirement funds, next to Syntax on why we are not as smart as we should be. I'll invite Fremer to the party since he owns the current rage. I'll record the deck and we can sell to those less fortunate :)

Peter

Peter,

I happen to like Raul. He has his biases but it isn't about product but more about synergy and design. He is transparent enough about them and has helped many here with wonderful advise.
But if such an event does ever happen, how about in person and taking place in Mexico.

We can have a wonderful discourse in Spanish, German & English.

How about a Stereophile Show in Mexico instead.

Webex audio seminar hosted by Audiogon. I love that idea.

And Audiogon could charge a price (hopefully small) for admission and/or replay.

Mikey can moderate.

RE: Raul...I was being over sarcastic, sometimes the keys I type and the words I think are two different things. Raul is great and I have learned much from him.

The offer stands though. I'll host account the first one. Webinars are great for connecting. Let's give one a try. The only issue is the audio. Our account does not have the 800 dialin number, so the call is a toll call to areacode 408 USA. I have tried Skype on the Webinars but the delays are very prominent with International Internet connections.

Peter