Nude Turntable Project

Dear Halcro and friends: WOW ! WOW ! and WOW !

I can't believe it. My Denon's ( DP-80 and 75. ) were on the " closet " for a lot of years that I can't remember how many, well two weeks ago I thinked: why not tested today? and that's what I made.

First I test and mounted the DP-80 and of course plinthless ( with different footers than your Victor but looks very similar. ) using the same AT pneumatic footers ( 3 ) that with my SP-10s.

First take: outperform easily the Technics one and obviously the BD TTs AS. Well I was really happy and enjoying the " new " fabolous toy when I decided to test the DP-75 ( tha's almost a DP-80. ).

Second take: please don't ask me why ( both units in perfect operation condition. ) but outperform the already great DP-80 quality performance level.

Well, that one unit outperform the other or that one audio item beats other one has nothing of extraordinary.
The main subject is what means that " outperform " and in the case of both Denon's means in one word: a totally different performance on what I experienced in my system and with any other system out there I heard it. The word accuracy it its wider meaning seems to me adequate. Both Denon's gives a new dimension to the music listening experience and I mean a NEW DIMENSION that only when you experience it could understand what I'm trying to say.

Halcro, now I understand better your excitement when you test for the first time your Victor 101.

I compart with you that excitement that i don't share before because I wnat to be absolute sure about and now I'm; absolutely amazing for say the least. DISTORTIONS ALMOST DISAPPEAR. GONE FOR EVER, at least the ones coming for a TT.

This you can see what Denon design means and where you can see that the only difference on specs between the DP-80 and DP-75 is mainly on the rumble number that in the DP-75 is a better one:

http://www.thevintageknob.org/denon-DP-80.html

http://www.vinylengine.com/library/denon/dp-75.shtml ( the brochure is a need to read. ). Both TTs have bi-directional servo with double-platter design.

Is there any single justification/reason to use these Denon babies with a plinth?, IMHO none: plinthless is the name of the game.

Halcro and friends: we are in the road!!!!!

Regards and enjoy the music,
R.

Dear Raul,
I'm truly happy for you :^)
As you say......it's quite hard to imagine the differences until one actually hears the purity and absence of previously 'unrecognised' distortions?
It was your encouragement which first made me test a 'nude' DD turntable.
I believe that a plinth would certainly 'change' the sound.
How can that be a good thing?
As far as I can see.......any 'change' in sound from the 'nude' TT....must be an 'addition' to that sound?
Is that not a colouration/distortion?
What are you using as an armpod with these two turntables Raul?
Cheers
Henry

Dear Raul,
What mat? What tonearm? How was the tonearm mounted? What cartridge? What music?
Let's see: you pulled two turntables out of storage, set them up without a plinth and they sound "great". (I'll take your word for that.) And this proves something about whether or not a plinth can be used to good advantage with a direct-drive turntable? You are too smart to believe that this is good science.
Anyway, very glad to hear from you. As you know, I am very fond of my DP80, as well. On its excellence, we can agree.

Apologies to Raul, I think I am guilty of asking Raul to prove a negative, which cannot be done. Anyway, more data would be nice. Particularly I would like to know what mat was in use on each turntable (75 vs 80).

So far as I know there is very little if any difference between the DP80 and DP75; I think the DP75 was essentially a DP80 motor supplied with a plinth and tonearm, usually the Denon DA307. T_bone would be the authority on this. If you hear a difference between the two tables, I would first suspect that the inferior sounding one might have a problem. Carry on, Raul.

Dear Halcro: Agree with you and IMHO the naked fashion in many ways has lower distortions. The footers here play an important role and the AT pneumatic ones works splendid. No, I'm not saying that's a must to have, I understand there are other alternatives and like almost all things in audio we have to test and compare.
I never tryed with tip toes like footers like you, maybe in the future.

Regards and enjoy the music,
R