Project Xtension 12 or VPI Classic 3

I have heard the Sumiko you are looking at, and IMO it is a very good table. It was in a Shindo/Devore system I have heard many times. I also think it is underpriced and should be selling for more. A very good deal packaged with the Pearwood Celebration cartridge. The fit and finish is great. The VPI table has received good reviews, I have not heard the VPI model you are considering so I can't comment.

When someone says one is better than the other they need to also be able to say they have heard both in the same system.

If you have not you should try and get a home trial of each table. It sounds like you are working with local dealers.

I had exension, and very familiar with vpi, also very familiar with the cartridges. INMHO Cadenza Black is better then Sumiko. Extension is very good tt, but classic 3 is better. Classic 3 + Benz Lp would be a killer deal in my opinion, but vpi+cadenza is also a good deal. Do not need to wonder why I choose vpi and ortofon, it is not about a better soundstage or silky highs, vpi&ortofon simply better.

"When someone says one is better than the other they need to also be able to say they have heard both in the same system."

I agree. That's an excellent point. Also, one other thing you really need to do is try the new TT setup (or at least the cart), with your preamp. Especially if you are considering a low output MC. You'll be asking a lot of the phono stage in your CJ.

VPI has a very active and friendly customer service. If you have a problem/question, they will make it right. They do everything in their power to please their customers. Classic 3 and Benz LP is a great combination (I have an LPS - even better). The Classic and Black is very good as well.

Thanks for the responses.

Will the Conrand Johnson ET3 SE be sufficient for the phono stage?

I am about to sent it back to CJ to have it installed.

Is there something else that you would recommend in the $2000 range for a phono pre?