Why do digital cables sound different?


I have been talking to a few e-mail buddies and have a question that isn't being satisfactorily answered this far. So...I'm asking the experts on the forum to pitch in. This has probably been asked before but I can't find any references for it. Can someone explain why one DIGITAL cable (coaxial, BNC, etc.) can sound different than another? There are also similar claims for Toslink. In my mind, we're just trying to move bits from one place to another. Doesn't the digital stream get reconstituted and re-clocked on the receiving end anyway? Please enlighten me and maybe send along some URLs for my edification. Thanks, Dan
danielho
It has to do with the way the clock is extracted from the SPDIF signal. There is a high degree of correlation in it. This leads to a great deal of data-related artifacts in the recovered clock.

(If someone was to hook up some sort of listening doo-hickey to the point in the circuit where the PLL filter is, you will hear a very distorted version of the programme material.)

Any reflections in the data stream manifest themselves into a change in the data-dependent jitter. Not so much in the actual amount, but the frequency distribution. Absolute jitter numbers by themselves are of little good without the corresponding spectral distribution. Close-in jitter, say <10 Hz, is more detrimental than jitter at 1 kHz. So, as the reflections alter the decision point, they alter the spectral distribution.

I know.....a lot of technical mumbo-jumbo, but that is it in a nutshell.

If the clock and data were sent via separate cables, this sort of problem would not occur. Which is why one-box solutions will always be better.

What Eldartford describes is basically a Time Domain Reflectometer. I hope to have some pictures of different cables soon. (I need to construct a hood for my camera, so that I can photograph the screen. The TDR I use was made in '63. Back before they had a data port on the back to pull out the data in a form you can make a JPEG with.)
Ar_t...The system I described does have a separate "clock" line. Actually there are three lines, One, Zero, Strobe.

1, 0, 1 is a one.
0, 1, 1 is a zero
Any other set is invalid.
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I've just read this thread with great interest.

I did some tests on my MBL transport and DAC (1621A/1611F) which I find interesting. It has multiple inputs and outputs, so I can run several cables in parallel and switch the input on the DAC via the remote, thereby making A/B very easy. It switches instantly too so there is no interruption to the music, making it even easier to detect any audible differences.

I ran a total of 4 cables in parallel, each on its own interface: 1 AES/EBU (either Synergistic Research Precision Reference (yeah, a regular XLR cable) or Audio Metallurgy GA-0 (a digital cable)), 1 RCA (I tried Gabriel Gold Revelation, Zu Varial, cheapo $1 plastic cable - all three regular ICs, and one digital $100 Monster cable), 1 Toslink (cheap Monster cable from the mid 90s) and 1 BNC (DIY copper, specced as a digital 75ohm cable).

Playing around with these in various configs and switching inputs back and forth (both blind and active, I used some fellow audiophile friends) - there is NO difference whatsoever between ANY of these cables.

I find this pretty mysterious to be honest. I've played with a lot of cables in the past and found many worthwhile improvements. But with this MBL duo, it's all the same.

Can someone perhaps shed some light on what is happening here? What have the Germans done inside the boxes to pull this off? I have no idea, and I'm not qualified to guess either - science isn't my forte. :)
Hi Osgorth.

German technicians are well-known perfectionists: ME-109 fighter plane, Panzer tanks, 88mm multi pupose canon,WW II standard 7.62 machine gun (which the US Army adopted as the MG60 in the late 50s and is still using 50 years later), the early Telefunken TVs and radio tuners, the VW bug, Porsche racing cars (especially, the 956 and the 962), anything optical, etc...

Perhaps MBL components are perfect and therefore not subject to improvement by cables.
Mike19