Gabriel Gold IC's are they really this good?

""""A visit by Joe Kubala (Kubala-Sosna) to my home nearly 2 years ago made it very clear that I was guilty of this with a "balancing act" between a pair of ICs and speaker cables. Ultimately both of these cables had to be replaced at once or any cable replacing either of these would be blamed for being a flawed cable. I learned a lot that day.""""

This is so true.I found myself in these thoughts while GG was bright (while burning-in).My speakers have a metal dome tweeter,which are known to be bright.But it is OK now.

I don´t think there is a perfect cable.Nothing is perfect.My system is not high-end,it´s value is around 5 000 - 7 000 $ alltogether.This is a mid-price system,so my results are limited.But i really reported what i heard.

In my system,GG Rev are not "flat".They throw a huge soundstage,they fill the whole office with sound.I checked with Therion´s track "Lemuria",which was recorded with Prague filharmonic orchestra.At 1min 05 sec it gets HUGE.

BUT - speakers are not placed perfectly,because it is an office.This takes its toll on soundstage.
My GG Rev perform excellent.I´m happy to have them,they made the whole system better.But this doesn´t have to be true for everyone.

Eat any ice-cream you want.It´s ok as long as i can choose mine :)
The point is to enjoy ice-cream, and i wish you all a lot of it.

Wow, a lot of vociferous exchanges. Too bad, but, on the other hand, that's what makes a horse race.

It's true that we all depend on honesty and divulging of associations, etc. and Audiobuzz is way out of line there, Probably something a monitor/moderator should be employed to deal with that issue. John (mcgrogan2) is right....and his word is gold as he is what I would call an ambassador of sound. He shares his experience, knowledge and even equipment so that we all can become richer in knowledge through experience of our own. And, only experience can help us help each other.

Ah, but I wax (or wane).

Clio9/Jafox-I have an older Sound Applications XE-12S and am also interested in cords and the Haley....If you could pass on any info, great!

FWIW-I have no monetary or other connection with any audio manufacturer/dealer or whatever. I really do love music...live and reproduced.

The Gabriels, in my opinion, offer a lot of excellent qualities. Their timber, pace, extension, tonality and detail are exceptional. I find a lot of air in them and no congestion in busy passages with dynamics (micro and micro) that have no flaw....actually damn exciting to me as it is without glare or overemphasis in any portion of range. But, I don't think they are the last word in soundstage. They offer good width, but not great depth to the stage. "Flat" is overstated IMHO and not my experience at all, but interesting that two independent audiobuds would call the same insound (a little coinage on my part from insight). In the end, their strengths are numerous and fantastic while their weaknesses are sparse and negligible (I have never seriously addressed equipment isolation and roon treatments.....another bailiwick).

The best use of this and any forum is difference of opinion. Lambasting each other is useless.

Jafox: Good on ya' (as we say in the south) and thanks! Your opinion is valued and valid. No cable is perfect and, as Joe K. (aren't you the lucky dude to have lumanaries all around!) pointed out (I think), making up for other cables' faults is often perceived as synergy. I have described it as "catching lightning in a bottle": The concept of balancing colorations is an old one and really well described at Bear Labs website as 'complimentay colorations':
http://www.bearlabs.com/NEXT/COLORATIONS.html

In the end, I always wonder if a single insightful designer for electonics should also design speakers all augmented by a single cable designer whose goods are used internally for the electronics would be perfect. I used Siltech with older Plinius gear and th esynergy was astounding.

That being said, the Gabriels have really worked well for me relieving those 'complimentary colorations' and are on the rarified permanent list for my gear....Well, changes come much more slowly these days anyway. But, I have no plans for changing or even interviewing for that position at this point in time.

I have never heard and Jade IC's or the Indra (although I have beta tested Stealth Metacarbon and GS 50/50's), but the fact taht they are all mentioned in the same breathe makes them all worth considering if you can afford them........

Enjoy the tunes!

I wanted to post something to this thread, but I own both the Jade Vermeil cable and the GG Revelation so I'm having an argument with myself over which is better....once I defeat myself I'll get back to this thread with more info....

Smile people, it's only audio.... :-)

Budburma,

I have been working with Jim Ricketts at tmh Audio (I have no affiliation, just friends) to do exactly what you are suggesting. Neeper speakers (Just introduced to the US market through Jim) will have a signature model using the Jade Audio gold plated silver wire for it's internal wiring. We are also discussing re-wiring a very high end amp with the same wire from the pc board to the speaker terminals.

We hope to have it all available for RMAF in October.

As for the rest of you boys, settle down. It just is not that important , but if anyone has a problem with me having vocal friends and/or clients, I am sorry. Is it wrong for someone who likes something to report on it? No. Is it wrong for someone to be a friend with a manufacturer who works out of a bedroom? I think not. Most of my customers have become good friends over this past eight months, so I guess they all have some type of conflict if that is the measuring stick.

Finally, I heard the GG Rev. on my system and was very impressed. These are great cables, I was not surprised with the tonality, in that this is proving to be a common denominator with gold wire. I was most excited to find that we both make very good cables that I feel have raised the bar for interconnects. I think it is important that the early gold cable manufacturers are beyond peoples expectation if the industry is going to join the few pioneers who are trying gold. If we succeed, then the entire industry succeeds because others with much larger R&D budgets can expand on what we are learning.

For me this is not a competition, it is a hobby that many of us are very passionate about. If GG can raise the level of performance, and if I can follow with another excellent product, then I see us all winning. Two great cables are being made for a fraction of the cost that we will see once the big boys jump in. It will be then that this is less about sharing our passions for music and more about winning.

Please, enjoy what we are all finding. Gold is a great material if used properly. I can also say from my design R&D, gold can be very thick, slow, fat and much too lush. GG and I have cables that have brought to Audiogon the tonality of gold without these long known weaknesses. Enjoy it, this is supposed to be fun.

jd
Jade Audio, LLC

cool, jd. i hope to hear those goodies along with your cables one day! i checked out your system and i think our sound preference is pretty similar. of course, i have a somewhat pared down version, but it's working well for me now...i just wish i hadn't sold my sa-201....oh well, no problems, no worries. this is a great hobby (like i keep telling my wife when more boxes arrive: 'it's a "hobby" and hobbies don't end until they're no fun anymore.') or as yodi berra sez, it ain't over 'til its ended! enjoy the tunes! best, art