I feel like an idiot; lessons learned


My last few years have not been kind to music listening. First, horrible work schedules (bad!), second, birth of first child (great!). Music has been played, but not really listened too. Recently, I have been able to spend more time listening to my system again. It is a VPI turntable, to a Manley Stingray integrated amp, to Thiel CS 2.4's. I am planning to replace the amp, as my little one is getting too close to the tubes for comfort, and it never really was the right one for the speakers. So, I start listening carefully again, and the system sounds awful. Really, really bad. Nothing coheres, the right channel seems just wrong. I poked and prodded to try to figure out what was going on, speakers seem ok, amp too, turntable...I got to the point that I was trying to figure out if I had some sort of hearing loss in my right ear, or if I needed some sort of electronic room geometry fix, or if I had to replace the speakers. Buying a new amp seemed crazy when the whole thing sounded so bad. Just weird.

So the night before last I am playing with my child who is crawling near the speakers. They are on outriggers, with adjustable feet, adjustable to deal with not-perfectly level floors. I notice that one of the feet is not stable, and needs to be extended a bit. It turns out I am to the limits of the possible extension, and I have to remove the washer to get the foot lower. I do so, and continue playing with kid. After crawling on the floor for a bit longer, I realize that both front feet are extended almost to the limit, on both speakers. I realize that I had been extending one to firmly set it out the ground, which makes the other front foot less firmly planted, so I extend that...and two years later both my speakers are tilted about an inch up (the front higher than the rear). After child goes to bed, I lower the front of both speakers, put on a record...and wow. It sounds lovely. Hearing fine, no electrical room conditioning needed, I don't need to lose the speakers I always wanted. And I feel a bit stupid, of course.

So, lessons learned: First off, trust your ears. If something sounds wrong, something probably is wrong. Second, speaker placement is really, really important (and cheap to experiment with). More: Thiels are famous for being picky, with proper placement particularly important. I am somewhat stunned as to what lowering the front an inch did to the sound. And, I suppose, try the little things, all of them, before you do anything significant. If you remember your system sounding good, and it doesn't now, it has that good sound stuck in it somewhere. Find it!

I am very glad I didn't sell my Thiels!
jhsjhs
No, no, no! You guys have it all wrong. If your system doesn't sound right you should buy an expensive line conditioner to filter out some of the nasty high frequencies. And if that doesn't do it you obviously need to install room treatment on all walls. And now that you have completely killed the sound you can brighten it up with a set of $2,000 points for the bottom of your speakers. If you haven't done so yet you should consider replacing all of the manufacturer supplied power cords because Pass Labs, Audio Research, Manley, VTL, Quicksilver Audio, and all of the other manufacturers of high end audio equipment do not have a clue. You know much more than those guys do. Be sure to include the power cord on your line conditioner or all else will be for nothing. If this doesn't do it for you just start replacing components one by one. Nervana is right around the corner.
Rrog,

Hard to tell if your post is tongue in cheek or not. My sarcasm meter might be on the fritz.

That said, room treatment is key and better power cords do enhance the sound. Neither is a myth.

If you were indeed kidding, disregard the above.

Shakey
I read Rrog's response as "tongue in cheek" but didn't read it as saying room treatment and power cords are worthless. I think the (tacit) point being made is that there's a no cost improvement option (speaker placement) that ought to be explored before chasing costly enhancements.
It's really just common sense to make sure what you have is set up and performing to its max before changing anything. Getting speakers placed well/optimally is fundamental to best sound so do whatever you can to get that working first and do not be afraid to think out of the box with unconventional placement/orientation options if needed. Then you are in a position to tweak anything else desired, major or minor to get things tuned in better from there.
Always check the free fixes first. Unfortunately, that's a lesson that I've forgotten on more than one occasion.

The last time, about 9 months ago, one speaker was sounding lifeless, so I put my ear up to the tweeter and sure enough, there was no output. My first thought was that I had blown out the tweeter. I popped the tweeter out and in desperate search for a replacement. After a day or two, and no luck looking for a replacement, I decided to see if maybe there were fuses in the crossover, maybe one of the fuses blew (I hoped). As I was lowering the speaker to the floor, I noticed that one of the high frequency speaker cable leads had come loose. Plug up the leads, pop the tweeter back in, problem solved. DUH!!!