It's No Fun Being a Guru Anymore


I would be curious to hear everyone's opinion on this -- somthing that probably happens to all of you as often as it happens to me.

Years ago, when systems seems more oriented towards MUSIC, it was flattering and fun to help friends choose equipment. Choose music, choose equipment, sit down, enjoy.

Today, however, it just seems like a nightmare and fraught with potential problems. Or is it just me?

Last night, I visited a friend of a friends new apartment in mid renovation -- a beautiful pre-war high ceilinged apartment near Park Avenue in New York where he has happily spent a zillion dollars on everything.

And here is the exciting news on the state of his audio/video plans:

He is requesting:

1)bookshelf speakers in a study/library, approx 8x12

2)unobtrusive speakers in living room, possibly near ceiling and possibly with subwoofer, approx 14x20

3)a second pair of bookshelf speakers in a kitchen/den area, approx 18x20

Here's is where it gets interesting: (NOT!)

He thinks he can use a 10ish year old YAMAHA AVR-75 receiver and a similarly low end SONY DVD/CD/Video CD player to drive EVERYTHING.

And the dealer who gave him a $10,000 proposal has encouraged him!

So the proposed solution is:

Keep the existing yamaha components and add:

1)Fujitsu HD plasma screen in kitchen/den area
2)$900 flattish speakers that hang off the plasma screen
3)An $800 Denon A/V receiver to drive these speakers and possibly the second pair of bookshelf speakers in the kitchen/den area

4) Hundreds of $$$ more on stuff I've never heard of, including programming his remote to receive Timewarner cable, and an ARTICULATING arm to swing the TV off the wall and over the kitchen table. Am I just getting too old or is this a JOKE?

I would say $10,000 or more later, this will sound like CRAP, in EVERY ROOM.

Despite the cheesey garden variety home theatre "solution" there has been no mention of surround sound or a subwoofer for the plasma system.

So my first thought would be to listen to TV and DVD through a decent pair of proper speakers in just stereo and junk the flat speakers that mount on the TV.

But I really dont even know where to begin.

He is actually a nice guy with a nice wife and I would like to help, so if anyone has any ideas or advice, please let me know ASAP.
cwlondon
You're right, it's no fun being the guru in this case. My guess is that they don't care about sound as much as being able to hear their tunes, given the current equipment they use, so I wouldn't go crazy on the two channel speakers and sources; the only thing I think I'd focus them on is getting a good multichannel surround sound setup for the home theater, with reasonable speakers and a subwoofer (B&W or PSB, perhaps--doesn't need to be expensive, just clean and plenty of impact) and a good AV receiver that can deliver the sonic goods for watching movies. My wife really doesn't care for anything more than her boombox for her music, but she was very much enthused when I had her see and hear a good home theater setup at my dealer's (close enough in NJ, and very good at advising and setting up a good installation, if the people your friends are using aren't). Maybe your friends would react similarly?
It might be good to talk to the dealer who may have led him astray (or, perhaps your friend simply misinterpreted -- this is pretty complicated and anything complicated can be misinterpreted). If you visit the dealer and develop some potential alternatives that will work, your friend will be hearing the same thing from both of you and it will be a lot easier to convince your fried to focus more on the music and also set up a decent home theatre system. No sub-woofer? That is odd unless the building codes frown upon them.

If you and the dealer are at odds and if your friend likes and trusts the dealer, I'd abandon ship and politely beg off in favor of the dealer. Getting exactly the right sound for someone who may not have sound as a priority is not worth ruining a friendship.
People seem to like pictures better than music today. Ears go basically unfulfilled these plasma-days and few people like us notice. Different strokes....
Yours is a tall order, more so because time is pressing! How do you educate otherwise fine people who just don't know any better? I hate to use cliches, but they seem like the ignorant masses. I use ignorant in its proper context: as from Webster 'destitute of knowledge in general, or with regard to some particular' (subject, for example). Ignorance does not equate to stupidity.

I'd do a little homework on their tastes, musical and film wise. Then invite them over to your place for an 'informal' but surreptitious demonstration of what they are missing.
Introduce them to the virtues of Audiogon!

It seems to me with a budget of $10k, they can do wonders.
This would be a case of casting pearls before swine. I gave up on giving this type of advice. You will spend a lot of time on this project and they will not know the difference anyway. The dealer with the $10,000 proposal will be very threatened by you and try to convince them that you are an idiot. These people probably would not know good sound if it hit them in the ass with a snow shovel. Let them spend their money, smile and say "gee, that sounds great".