Panny plasma Vs Comcast HDTV, HELP

This is going to be fun;

1. Ya know, i gotta say something, why does everyone feel the need to point out to me that this is an EDTV and not an HDTV?

Well you didn't seem to understand the difference when it came to screen modes now did ya. You even compared your TV to your roomates tv which is an HDTV!!! Edesilva has the manual and doesn't get it either, you don't have enough resolution to stretch 1080i, 720p and 480p. HDTV plasma's can do this if they have the software on board, ie Pioneer, Samsung....Panasonic.

Uh.

2. Apparently, my roomates CRT panny doesent seem to have this problem, might be beause he is using HDMI and not component....

No master of obtuseness, his tv has the equivalent 1024x1280 resolution, it is a real HDTV. Not compatible like yours.

3.anyways, every single time i see you post on here you seem to have to try and show people up.... you feeling a bit insecure or something?

No I was just making fun of your for not being able to hook up your tv and then 10 guys who were no help either. I gave you the answers I just didn't spoon feed ya, which it appears you needed.

4. On that it was set to pass 1080I on all signals, basically, i set the box to only put out a 480p signal which is all my TV is really capable of doing.

Gee I didn't know that, wonder who the first person was who brought that concept up.

5. I've owned the commercial version of the TH-42PD50U. It is HDTV compatible, meaning fully capable of receiving HD signals in 1080i or 720p. The internal scaler then downconverts to the displays maximum resolution. This isn't so unusual, since most plasmas aren't exactly a 1:1 ratio of pixels to HD resolution--its just that in this set the display loses a little more of the information. The monitor will display a 1080i or 720p signal to the best of its ability.

And does this have anything do with stretching an image or having variable screen modes? No.

6. The problem is that 1080i and 720p are *inherently* widescreen. The manual sez that the aspect button does not work with 1080i or 720p input signals. See p. 21. Its not a matter of running out of pixels.

Then why doesn't it allow it?, because it has too many pixels? I'm not sure slappy understood his cable box was outputting 1080i on SD channels by generating the side bars. Maybe I misread his post?

7. The double boxing problem is an STB issue or a Comcast issue. Try using the S-Video to watch SD/AD (but not HD) off the box; should give you back the aspect/zoom at least. Frankly, some prefer the use of S-Video over component/DVI/HDMI because it tends to "blur" the picture a tiny bit and mask the resolution conversion problems.

Need I say more?

8.Why dont you go ahead and analyze my system and tell me how horrible it is while yer at it? Take yer best shot, with what ive seen you post on here in the past, i hold nothing you say with any credit.

Well, that's not my job and you haven't complained about the general quality of CD playback on your system in an open forum. So it's none of my business really.

9.man. i dig the tv, i dig my stereo. and im happy with them to the point where i now spend a lot of my time and money pursuing other interests.

I never said one thing about your system, never will unless hell freezes over and you ask my advice. I thought it was funny you couldn't operate your tv because you hadn't read the directions but I said that already.

10.You even quoted what i had said, as seen below, and where i said i am unable to get HD on coax and then quite clearly in parenthesis i stated "As expected" then decided to show me up by telling me resolution capabilitys of coax....
as that was ever in question....

"When watching the source through the COAX input, i am unable to get the HD (as expected)."

What is funny is I was trying to point out that changing screen modes has to do with the resolution of your tv and the signal source, which you now know. So was the other guy but you didn't understand we were trying to fill in some background not show you up.

So there we are. I love this place.

Cinematic- just an observation. As a career salesperson, I've learned that HOW you say something is often as important as WHAT you say. It's all in the delivery.

Now to state the obvious:

Condecension, smugness, and biting sarcasm will simply guarantee the same. That's why you sometimes receive less than appreciative responses when you share your thoughts.

To quote you- "I love this place".

Cinematic_Systems, holy moly, you are *so* right! Slappy just needs a better TV!

But wait a minute. If Slappy had slapped down a bunch of extra greenbacks for the TH-42PWD7UY, Panny's HD plasma of the same size, why does page 20 of that manual also say ASPECT IS DISABLED FOR 1080i/720p SIGNALS?

Maybe what the aspect button does has nothing to do with "running out of pixels" or buying a more expensive TV. Maybe it has to do with the fact that Panny decided that button was only going to work on certain resolution inputs.

Cinematic, im sure sooner or later even a bright guy like yourself will figure out why you have no friends.

I know it is ED. christ. that was never the point. I dont know what kind of psycholigical blind spot you have, but you are one irritating person.

Let me break this down so that even a 6 year old can understand....

My roomates CRT panasonic accepts a constant 1080i signal from comcast, -ALL- broadcasting is send over as 1080I. When he flips to an SD channel, it is still sent over a 1080I signal, even though it is only SD Quality. His TV can still stretch out 1080i, which gives him the ability to watch SD quality programs over 1080i, and while he CAN watch it with the bars, he can also zoom and stretch etc.

MY TV, set to the SAME type of box, ALSO accepts 1080I signals, but downconvers to 480p. When i recieve 1080i all the aspect controls are gone.

That is where the difference lies, because my buddys TV retains the aspect controls. probably just some type of logic processor or something that can figure it out, or maybe as the HD box sends it out over 1080i it sends a flag to mark it as SD so his tv enables the aspect controls. That is just a guess, i really dont care how his TV lets him watch SD quality over 1080i and allows him to use aspect.

this has nothing to do with filling where there is no information, this has to do with zoom/stretch features, basically, it expands the pixel from 1, to 2, or 3. thats it. Saying you cannot stretch or zoom a HD signal? that is absolutly retarded. Sure, mine cannot, but the concept of being able to is sound and solid, it works the same was as a digital zoom on a digital camera, it is just slightly more sophisticated. And THAT is the POINT of aspect controls, to fill the screen where no information is being sent.

Either way, the FIX was not in the tv, it was a HIDDEN menu on the COMCAST BOX that you cannot access while the comcast box is turned ON, it can only be access by hitting menu when the box is OFF, and it takes you to a menu that is not otherwise available. All i needed to know was where the hell that freakin menu was hidden, and presto i had it.

The problem here, is my set is not designed to stretch SD broadcast over 1080I, and his is. Plain and simple.

It had --nothing-- to do with an inability to correctly set up the TV, the TV was correctly set up, it is the fact that there was no literature with the comcast box that showed where the hidden menu was located. In FACT, i talked with 3 different Comcast service reps before one of them knew that there was a hidden menu.

So once again cinematic, you are unable to grasp the concept of the question, you run off some other unrelated concept and pat yourself on the back for being such a smart guy. The entire question was obviously over your head.
Well, enjoy it, i certainly dont see anybody else sitting here patting you on the back, if anything, i see people getting tired of your arrogance.

But let me just get this one thing straight, according to you, you cannot stretch/zoom an 1080i signal. So everyone with Comcast digital cable needs to use 2 seperate video inputs? They cannot watch HD then flip to an SD broadcast which is send over a 1080i singal and have aspect controls?
Because guess what? Comcast HDbox ONLY sends 1080i over component if you have 1080I setup, it will NOT send 1080i and later on send 720p or 480p or 480i. it simply sends the highest resolution, which is the resolution you select on the hidden menu, and it will send SD quality over 1080i

I verified this myself a few days back when i had my buddy put on an SD station and checked the TV's OSD which said it was recieving 1080i... even tho it was only sd quality... and guess what? HIS FREAKIN ASPECT CONTROLS WORKED>

So nice try, too bad, so sad. Why dont you go do some research before you start running your mouth.

moron.

DOWN GOES CINEMATIC!!