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Time to get things straight.

Every person that states the Technics 1200 is THE best TT in its price class risks himself to getting Flack from the belt drive crowd. I have posted that Thorstens speaks highly of it and here's some of his quotes as posted in the Asylum:

"And yes, the 1200 with a better arm is dynamite. Even stock with minimal tweaks it's an easy Rega P2/3 killer."

"So don't knock it if you don't know it. A Rega Planar is a cheap bearing and Motor stuck into a piece of MDF, the engineering content for all intents is ZERO. The only worthwhile thing on the Rega is the Arm."

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And from Steven Rochlin:

"Hmmmm... I DO AGREE that the 1200 does not have the overall "ultimate" PRAT of my VOYD setup (or a finely tweaked Linn LP12), though overall it really does have nice, smooth, consistant PRAT that blows away even the $20k+ Goldmund Reference and the like. Maybe the 1200 does not the worlds best PRAT, but DARN good. Over 10,000 dance clubs around the world prove it virtually every night."

"The Technics SL-1200 in its various offerings are EXCELLENT!!! Do not listen to those "belt drive only" folks. Wonder if they know that the highly praised Goldmund STUDIO turntable was direct drive? Anyway, the 1200 is probably THE BIG BARGAIN in turntable land. Great motor, good platter, built to take a lickin' and keep on tickin' (with apologies to Timex, whose watches ALWAYS broke after a month for me).

"Over the MANY years I have used more than i care to remember 1200 tables at MANY clubs. They ALL worked flawlessly and even after all the, er, um, abuse of back scratching and needle dropping and vinyl dropping they just kept going and going. IMHO there is pretty much nothing on the new market under $800 that comes near the 1200 in speed stability, drive, and overall PRAT (pace, rhythm and timing). Given the right needle i can only see great things UNTIL you get the upgrade itch and go for a used Linn LP12 or VOYD. Besides, what other "audiophile" table would you play Led Zeppelin backwards to hear all those Satanic messages? Oh how about ELO backwards to hear the secret message?"

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Wake up, people!!!

So much for glass and particle board...
psychicanimal
jimbo3
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Bravo, Ohlala- You're post on 5/3 hits the nail on the head. Also, in a previous post, Psychic said he loves to stir up controversy, then step back and watch the fur fly. Unfortunately, little of that is constructive, just as this thread is not very constructive. (Nor was intended to be.)Even more unfortunate is that some of our younger brethren who are trying to experience analog for the first time are getting information that is less than accurate.

I don't think anyone here (except for one or two) really cares who has what table for what reason. Rational and open discussion, opinion and facts have generally been the hallmark of this analog forum. But there are a a couple of crusaders who have been fast and loose with facts and, when legitmately questioned, resort only to attacking other's choices. For example, I wasn't aware that I am like an elderly person in an insane asylum just because I have a belt drive table.

This thread was designed to be silly. And silly it is.

And now it's time for for me to get back to gumming my applesauce here at Belleview....

Jim
sedond
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would i ever buy a technics 1200 'table w/the kabusa.com fluid-damper mod? prolly not. why? cuz, for my $800, i think i can do better w/a used deck. oracle, well-tempered, vpi, linn, to name a few. *BUT* - if my choices were limited to brand-new turntables, the kabusa 1200 would be at the top of my list. maybe i'm mistaken, but this, i think, is what the psychic is getting at. have y'all ever heard a technics 'table? i had the opportunity to audition an older sp10 in an audiophile-approved set-up a while back, & it was 1st-class all the way... for an "entry-level" 'table, or for newbies getting into vinyl that don't wanna break the bank, or take a chance w/a used deck, the 1200 will be far superior to any other new deck at its price-point, imo...

ymmv,

doug s.
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I'm with TWL,ya what he said, and as for the rest of you guys saying can't we all get along and say whatever the other guy has is ok for him and it's about the music. I say this is Audiogon, if you do a search this is what you will find
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People have different opinions that are based on their experiences. That is why we have these discussions so we can help each other learn how to improve our systems, for less money,and do it right the first time. I have learned alot here and my Stereo is sounding a lot better thanks to Tom W. Lyons

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consttraveler
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I have a couple of minor comments. Back in the day, (way back actually) a good friend invited me over to hear his new Bose 501's and his collection or Rush LP's (can't remember the TT). I was blown away! It was the first time I had the experience of a "sound stage".

Would they compete with the system I have now? Not even close! Was it bad? No, it was wonderful (that is, I was full of wonder at the possibilities of two channel).

As to TT's, I have heard many good ones, all sounded a little different. I now have two that I trade in and out of rotation with the rest of my gear. An up-graded Rega P-25 (incognito wireing, heavyweight, VTA adjustment) and a Thorens TD-520 with a SME 3012-R arm. I also trade out two cart's, a Dynavector 17-D Karat and a Clearaudio Discovery. This gives me four combinations that are all different, and IMHO, all very good. I honestly do not have a firm opinion on which combo is "best."

I believe it boils down to "appreciation." When I put on my 30+ year old copy of In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida, recorded live, I get a contact high that is both wonderful (see full of wonder, above) and legal. And, I truly appreciate, that.

Good listening, Dave.
twl
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Gosh, I must have mellowed out some, since I first started posting here on Audiogon. Looks like I used to be a real hell-raiser. Lately I haven't been looking for too many arguments.
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