ZYX Fuji vs. Lyra Helicon

Gmorris, I agree that proper loading will make a world of difference in the sound. I feel that just leaving the loading at 47k really does interfere with the proper function and sound of a good cartridge that is not designed to be loaded at 47k. I, too, think the Helikon is a great cartridge. I think I was pretty fair in my personal assessments above.

I think, too, the Helikon is a good cartridge.
Based on the big differences with quality of a Phono Stage and the load it is difficult to give a final Statement.
The Helikon is made for 47 K, like all Lyras.

From the musical presentation I like the Zyx cartridges, they are not ultra analytic and dry like some others, they are more in a natural presentation. I like my 1000 for example very much.

Thomasheisig, I disagree. I have owned several Lyras. The manufacturer's instructions for the Helikon recommends loading values from 10 - 47k ohms. 47K was not specifically recommended by the manufacturer. However, the higher values could produce a more "spacious and open" sound. The manufacturer did suggest experimentation. I have tried values from 100 to 47k with my ARC PH2 and have determined that, in my system, 100 ohms provided sufficient liquidity and richness without compromising "air" "spaciousness" and "treble extension".

I believe you, when you write that in your System sounds best with a xyz load. It is in a way System dependant,
when I go down from 47 k ot let's say 100ohms I can NOT hear some Details I heard before.
They are gone. And the presentation became slow, more dull, out of life and air.

Lyra made all carts for 47K ( from design ) and later, when they were in the market, they saw, they have problems with their recommendation for 47k only, because there are not much phono stages out there, which can handle that in the best way. same politics for High Output MC's, btw.
Life is much easier for all with a recommendation from 10 ohms to 47k ohms. It is very good for sale and the dealers recommend them faster ....
Well, I used my Lyra's with 47k, here they sounded best in my System. I remember a Importer recommendation ( some years ago ) who told me, to go for 47 K when I have a good phono stage which is silent ....
Anyway, fun counts.

Thomasheisig:

I guess I do not have "..a good phono stage which is silent...". Your ranting is based purely on "hearsay" from some "importer". It is incredible how willing you are to take the word of an importer over the manufacturer.

My point is simple: if the Helikon appears to be lean in tonal balance after using a 47k load, try lower loading values (even as low as 100 ohms). The actual loading value depends on the associated gear, room and personal preference.