Who will survive? One last table til I die.

I still haven't had a chance to read the articles, but i just want to ask you folks one question. That is, where do you think the technology came from in order to start mass producing solid state devices? I'll give you a hint. They probably didn't find tubes in the inter-galactic time travelling devices at Roswell : ) Sean
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If you want to know what kind of frequency reponse your system is getting into your room you will need a spectrum analyzer. If you are getting on in years, you should also have you ears tested(you could be surprised just by taking the sterophile test cd and playing the frquency sweep section and seeing what frequencies you can't even hear). Once you see the huge peaks and valley's in the frequency response of your room, you may rethink the whole notion of flat from 20-20khz. I contend that was always more of an advertising ploy than indication of how equipment sounds.

From time to time,audio reviewers decide that they need to be more objective. Remember when Peter Aczel of the Audio Critic decided the most important thing about speakers was errors in the time domain. I remember when stereophile decided they were going to publish measurements. They, like all hope to find some correlation between the way components measured and how they actually sound. No doubt TJN thought he was on to something.

Hi: This statement comes from audioholics ( the TWL link ):****" Another mechanism that most certainly can have measurable and audible effects are response errors due to the frequency dependent impedance load presented by the speaker. The higher the output resistance of the source ( amplifier ), the greater the magnitude of the response deviations. "****.

This is my statement in this thread ( the same that I already post on others threads ):

******" The tube amplifiers can't do it, it is impossible by the physics laws), only can function like an equalizer sound reproducer. All the tube amplifiers change their frecuency response with the changes in the impedance of the speakers and this speaker impedance ( normally ) change with the frecuencies,...."***.

As you can see audiholics agree with Mr. Norton, they speak
on the same subject. ( TWL: I never speak of damping factor ).

The problem with this critical issue is that anyone can hear the high degradation on the signal reproduction.

Now, for anyone can " see " how heavy is that signal degradation: you can go to Stereophile tests on speakers and " see " the electrical impedance diagram where you can watch the multiple frecuency deviation that has the speaker: the tube amplifiers has almost that same deviations ( depend of it output impedance ), only the SS amplifiers can do the job with out that signal degradation.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.

Clear Audio, VPI, Linn, maybe Basis, maybe Walker. Not necessarily in that order. These are the names that will probably? Maybe? Hopefully? survive the next 20 years only because they will make other products to support their turntable line. In the case of Linn this is already true and therefore the least risk of them all for the future. I was told at HE 2004 last May that Walker is going to come out with a CD PLayer. Time will only tell on that one. Forget about anyone other than the factory repairing any of these. Hell, you can barely find a store that has a turntable hooked up for audition or anyone in the store who knows anything about turntables. As for your last purchase based on performance alone, longevity of the company out of the picture, it would be the Walker Proscenium Gold. My absolute all-time favorite turntable with their servo-tracking arm. I have never heard anything, and I have heard every brand I mentioned, that sounds as spectacular as the Walker. I wish I had $30,000.00 to buy it. It's not just my dream table, it's my dream anything.

I hope this puts an end to this discussion. "...Gregadd,this is not how it measure it is that any one can hear that big mistakes. The output impedance in the tubes amplifiers, usually, goes from 0.5 to 3 OHms ( high one ) and the output impedance in the SS goes from 0.02 to 0.5 OHms ( very low one. That's is one of the parameters why the SS has a high damping factor ). This is the point and the problem on the subject and you can hear it ( any one )."
Raul this is from an earlier post by you. The audioholics does not agree with your conclusion that a tube amp is an ucorrectable equalizer. In fact what they say is,any non zero impedance signal source can affect frequency reponse. Your own admission verifies that an ss amp is not a zero impedance source. They go on to say that as little as +/-.1 db can be audible. However they do not say it is uncorrectable. Or that because of this tubes amps are unacceptable equalizers or inherently inferior to ss.
For a discussion of this issue and how to solve it, See,http://www.transcendentsound.com/amplifier_output_impedance.htm

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