Say it aint so--- Teres quality question


As a preface-- I have been a lurker here at Audiogon for a number of years, but have never posted.

Yesterday a review of the Teres 200 series table was posted at Audioasylum. I am extremely concerned about what was stated.

I have always read fantastic things about the Teres, but this reviewer seemed to consider some issues with regard to quality-- ie:

"Some minor issues...the wood platter is not 100% true on the horizontal surfaces...a very slight rise...I suspect this is the nature of machining wood?" as well as "Product Weakness: Platter slightly off true"

I plan on joining the Teres family -- but have developed some reluctance after reading this.

Perhaps some of the members here with first hand experience will be able to put my concern at ease with regard to the reviewers statement.

Here is a reference to the post:

Review by Angus Black III on January 06, 2004 at 10:35:32

Thank you, and a special thanks to TWL for the always informative reading.

Focusedfx

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David, sorry for not mentioning your name in the group with actual experience with the Teres tables. I was just responding specifically to Pat's post. I don't mean to create problems here, and perhaps it would just be better if I exit out of this thread before any other feelings get hurt.

I would only say to others reading these posts to do what you want. It is no skin off my back, whatever turntable anyone buys. I thought I was being helpful in the past by recommending what I thought was a good way to get great sound and save money. Sorry if I offended anyone, or if anyone thinks I gave them a bum steer.
>>I thought I was being helpful in the past by recommending what I thought was a good way to get great sound and save money.

You were.

>>Sorry if I offended anyone, or if anyone thinks I gave them a bum steer.

I don't think anybody thinks that and quite the contrary. And there is really no reason to leave the thread Tom as you probably have more hands-on experience than any of us. Maybe Patrick just had a poor experience with one table.As I said in the first post above. I've never seen any product with all perfect reviews.

Cheers
I remain,
Tom,

As stated earlier in this thread you ARE an Audiogon icon. Nobody that I know of has any ill will toward you. You and I have communicated via phone for hours on end about a variety of audio and non-audio subjects. You've taken the time to share your expertise through volumous emails with me. Your patience with the unenlightened far exceeds mine. It is my hope that my experience is a somewhat isolated affair but I do feel that Teres needs to take some measures beyond fixing my complaints. It's in their own self interests to do so.
I see it got a little carried away here when I went off to work on my TT (BTW, new pics will be up Here). Give me a little time to get them up this morning.

Couple of points. But first, like everyone else, I have no affiliation or financial interest in any manufacturer save myself. If I stand to gain or lose anything it will be because I plan on trying to make a table of my own design using the Teres bearing & motor. I have absolutely no intention of bashing Teres and am nothing but a very satisfied customer.

Focusedfx:

Surely you want to give it some thought. This is not a small purchase. But there are a couple of things you need to think about. Why is everybody so happy with this turntable? There has to be a reason. Personally, I would not let the two, that’s right, only two, issues that have been raised here to dissuade me from buying it. Think of those of us who have dealt with Teres and are very satisfied. I heard he has something like 300 tables out there. Two problems is less than 1%. I don’t think that’s too shabby. If that was a car, it would lead the JD Power list forever. That’s my OPINION.

Patrick:
My Acrylic platter is flat, I would say well less that 1/64" deviation. I was going to put it on a surface plate and use a dial indicator, but that seemed to be a little ridiculous. I also have an answer for the arm board problem. Will email offline.

David:
Wood platters holding up over time. Well, I have given this one a lot of thought, and since I plan to make one soon, here's what I think. The Teres cocobolo platter SEEMS to be made of blocks, infused with west systems epoxy, then drilled for lead. I personally feel due to my experiences with wood, boats, and west systems products that this system SHOULD be able to stand the test of time. A long time. The only problem I would worry about is stress cracks during the machining process. With material the material differences, machining it using standard woodworking methods is probably not a good idea if you want to keep it true. But trying to find a more precision metal lathe that will swing 13" is a problem I worry about when I get there.

Psychic:
Wood can be machined to very high tolerances. It's all a matter of having the right tools and knowing how to use them. The problems that arise when trying to maintain precision are caused by the wide variations in hardness between epoxies and wood. This could be where metal working machinery gives an edge.

Doug:
I agree, there must be something to it if everyone prefers the wood platter. This has got to be something due to resonant properties and density. Denser is better. No brainer. If there is an even better material, I’ll find it. Been doing sh**loads of research on this.

Tom:
I was gonna see if I could drive over and listen to your TT, but, um, maybe in the spring! Seriously though, your situation is probably the most extreme real world test of any wood product. There is the potential to bring out the worst in the platter, and it sounds like there is no worst. This seems to lend credence to a west systems type manufacturing of the platter. This epoxy will lend stability that would otherwise be unattainable using conventional glues especially under these extreme circumstances.

I've said it before, but my experiences with Teres quality is limited to the bearing, motor, acrylic platter et al. I actually have all of these parts sitting in front of me at this moment, as I write. There IS NOT ONE PIECE that I am not impressed with. All of it is the very highest quality. Right down to the cool mylar belt. Nice!

So while I have the ability, I decided to save a few thousand dollars and get the finish I want. If I want to do a little Intarsia to dress it up, cool (do you know what I mean, David?). Although having Ramond's book far from makles me an expert on the process! So I cannot comment on the fit & finish of the finished Teres models. This thread started because of someone's review of the wood platter, and the concerns it raised. Fair enough, for this kind of money it should be damn good.
Thanks for the nice comments. But I think it may be best for me to just stay out of this now. I'm sure you all can come to your own conclusions just fine.

Pat, I agree that it is in everyone's best interest for an audio manufacturer to have good QC and customer service.