Room correction in high-end system???


OK,lots of praise has been heaped on the Tact and Sigtech RCS systems, including in this months TAS. However, I believe my system is pretty high-end (at least by the "How much does your system retail for?" thread) and do not want to harm the already fine sonic charactersitics. I am generally of the mind that "less is more".

Things that concern me are:
- Putting an A/D and then D/A into my vinyl playback chain.
- Putting a lower quality D/A in place or in addition to my SF Processor 3.
- Replacing my beloved BAT VK-50SE pre with a one box DAC/ADC/RCS/PRE.

If my system were in the sub $40k retail range, I would be running to a room correction system, but am a little sceptical given my current investment. It might even be a little snobbishness. However, if I do like it better with RCS, I'd end up saving a bucket of dough.

Has anyone with a well set-up room and system tried one of these? I'd be expecially curious if Mr. Porter or some of the other vinyl fans have had one of these in their system.

Thanks,
Meta
metaphysics
The DG-28 is a digital graphical equalizer, which corrects in the frequency domain only with 64 linked filters. This is like the Z-Systems RDP-1 but with more filters. The Sigtech and Tact units correct in the time domain, that is the arrival times of the sounds that are "distorted" due to room reflections and speaker phase anomalies. The approach and results of these two signal processing technologies is worlds apart. Frequency domain correction only will not give satisfactory correction.

Frequency domain correction only will not give satisfactory correction for these room interactions. Adjusting the frequency response without correcting time anomalies results in a processed sound that degrades well produced recordings.

Forgive me for reposting some previous material, but it addresses questions raised in this thread. The reason DSP doesn't degrade the signal is that the Sigtech algorithms have a bit precision that is greater and calculation rates that are faster than the Redbook CD standard. Sigtech’s internal bit precision is 56 bits compared to the CD’s 16 bits and can calculate a full bandwidth 2544 tap filter at the Redbook 44.1 kHz sampling rate. The particular filter implementation is software determined based on the actual time domain measurements of your room and speaker.

The sound at your ear should be both and simultaneously phase accurate and with a flat frequency response relative to that encoded in the original bit stream. The speaker and the room interaction “degrades” that sound through standing waves, first refection bounce, etc. are the primary targets for the Sigtech algorithms. Once these are addressed the unit can shape the overall frequency response if desired but if your speakers are flat to begin with most of the frequency correction happens as a result of the time correction.

With good room treatment (Physical or DSP) the goal should be to smooth the frequency response while damping the first and most of the second reflections while leaving the direct sound and later reflections to provide air. Sound travels at about 1 foot per millisecond. Reflections under 5-7 ms are perceived as colorations. Over 30 ms the perception is of ambiance, reverberation or echo. The best DSP units use algorithms that are designed with the psychoacoustics in mind as well as with variable amounts correction with respect to frequency so as to not over correct a speakers inherent response. If your speakers are already impulse coherent to begin with, like the Dunlavys, all of the DSP power can be applied to room correction. The Sigtech can correct up to the first 50 milliseconds.

If your primary source is Analog, I highly recommend the ASC products. By absorbing and diffusing reflections they do reduce time domain distortions. I use them along with the Sigtech, as I listen to a mix of analog and digital.
My system is similarly high end...spectral/theta/eidolon.
I would not mind trying a tact or a sigtech. I can tell you that I listened to a high end (wilson/krell) system both with and without the sigtech. The difference was not at all minor and this was in a room with some room correction (tube traps) already installed. My own conclusion was that if the sigtech did despoil the true sonics...it also had very significant advantages and it was definitely in the strongly positive column.
Still, I am not using it....Why? This seems a bit strange but it just seems to be "cheating". I enjoy my music very much and I enjoy my hobby very much. Maybe it is a matter of fickleness or gear obsessiveness but I like the tinkering and having a sigtech might end all that for me....Hey, I like the music but I like the tinkering.
After all the good reviews of these items I wonder if there is any oteh rnuts out there that feel the same way.
I know exactly what you are saying. Room correction is such a radical departure from the way I have approached building my system that I'm not sure I can handle the change. It feels like my options will be somehow more limited, I'll have fewer places to tweak and fewer areas to "blame" for the source of my dissatisfaction.
Hi,
Interesting post. Because I went through the SAME dilemna not long ago.
First of all, my system consists of
Sony SCD-1
Linn CD-12
ML 360s
CJ ART II
ML 33H
SF Amati
(www.lam.ws)
A 'high end' system by most standards I assume.
But was I happy? no... my room/speakers combination was a huge problem, no matter where I put the Amati. So I tried the TACT RCS 2.0. No harm. and honestly, not that expensive a toy to try if it does what it says on paper.
MAGIC. You should not underestimate how much your room is harming the sound quality/balance of your system. The TACT is a DD device. This is how my front ends are connected for the time being (work in progress as usual)
CD12 to ART II directly (analog)
CD12 Digital Out to TACT to ML 360s to ART II
There is little doubt that the CD12 DAC is far superior then that of the 360s, but I CONSISTENTLY prefer the sound using the TACT then the CD12 direct to CJ ART.
The effect/correction is STUNNING.
Even if you have doubt about this 'non purist' approach, at least have your room measured before you decide.
To address your question regarding LP or SACD, consider the upcoming dCS Greig ADC/Upsampler. the TACT cannot deal with 192Khz yet, but they can handle 96kHz just fine.
So before you get so stubborn and reject this approach, just go measure your room professionally and then you will find out whether these room correction devices are useful for you. my guess is, 95% of us will benefit. The improvements outweighs the sonic degradion by far.
The only answer is to try it. The room is the
most important/expensive component in yr system and unless
you are very lucky it needs dealing with. Every day I hit
the bypass button to remind myself what I used to
listen to and congratulate myself about!! The Tact
RCS does offer sampling at 96/24 in their ADC, by the
way. There is no record that is not hugely better in my
system.

There are no simple ways to use the Tact as in 'plug and
play'. You just got to mostly be able to extrapolate from
your initial messing about. I took it on faith. In
Indonesia that was the only option. Its taken me
6 months now and every week I learn a way to use it
better. My opinion how did/does anyone ever live
without it?

Rest of my set up Sota/SME V/Pass aleph 3/AvantGarde
Uno's

Rgds