The most detailed speaker cable??

>>I simply asked you to listen to some cables within the confines of your
system and see if you heard a difference.<<

See -- here's another problem. The thread was not about whether cables can
sound different. I believe cables CAN sound different. In this thread alone, I
told the poster that if he wanted tonally BRIGHT speaker cables, or added
BRIGHTNESS in his system, he should do the minimum -- get a frequency
response chart of any proposed cable.

The issue was whether or not .1 db down at 20Khz is an audible roll-off.

In my experience with Sean, he has chased me from thread to thread telling
me about this "ROLL-OFF." Of course, he didn't specify the
"roll-off" so I looked up the information and posted links to
frequency response charts which showed that this "roll-off" is
.088 down at 20Khz.

Great -- another bogus cable claim.

Sorry, but when you do stuff like that, credibility goes bye bye.

So, Sean tells me that he can hear this "roll-off."

Great -- another bogus cable claim.

If he wants to concede now that he can hear no such thing, we can at least
get to some semblance of reality. We'll see.

>>If you can honestly hear a difference<<

Honestly hear a difference? Sorry, but sighted tests carry no weight -- see the Dunlavy tests referenced above.

>>those differences have to be measurable using the proper tools and test methodology.<<

If the test is based on the idea that one cable has an audible roll-off because it is .088 db down at 20Khz when driven into a 4 ohm load, you've already got a faulty test.

If you don't know the frequency reponse chart of the other cable, you're shooting in the dark. If it isn't perfectly flat, then what will it tell you? What if the frequency response shows that the other cables are bumped up in the high end? Then, what do you know? That cables with a bumped high end sound different than ones that are audibly flat?

Two words: Who cares?

>>lessens your credibility.<<

Obviously, we have vastly different ideas about what consitutes credibility.

>>Eldartford is both an engineer and a cable skeptic, yet he's open minded enough to try such a test.<<

Because Eldartford has a DIFFERENT issue. He wants to see if they sound different.

You've never bothered to notice what position I have taken, you simply blunder in and start arguing with ghosts about whether or not cables can sound DIFFERENT, even though I've written in each thread that it is possible for cables to sound different.

But, that doesn't make .1db down at 20Khz any more audible.

Sheesh.

Rsbeck,
You've made your point. In fact, you've made your point repeatedly in this and numerous other threads. But what does this have to do with the question of the author? You are firm in your beliefs, and have found an answer that works for you. I say that's terrific. But it's terribly fatiguing to jump into a thread for a lively exhange of information only to each time be blasted by your attempts to convert the wayward cable-ites. Clearly, you're an intelligent person, one who knows far more than I do about the science behind this hobby. I'm only asking if you might see your way to kicking the conversation forward, maybe just for the sake of musical enjoyment? Thanks for considering it.

I've addressed the question posed by the originator of this thread.

If you don't like to see other threads hashed out again in this one, then you
need to voice your disapproval to Sean, who posted a link to another thread
and started that argument all over again in this one. We already had a thread
for that argument.

Seems to me we were having a nice conversation in here until that.

And -- yeah -- it is a nice idea that we might "exchange
information" without disagreeing, and clearly it can be fatiguing to
listen to opposing viewpoints, but come on, imagine what you'd think if I
asked all of the cable believers to stop posting so I could enjoy a less
fatiguing exchange of information.

I do not have any such position that all cables sound the same.

The position I have taken is that if someone comes to this forum looking for help, the best thing we can do for him/her is to look at the entire system, including the room.

Sorry, but I disagree with the notion that -- because a poster thinks he/she needs cables to solve a problem that we have to limit our suggestions to cables.

If I post a problem to this forum, I expect to get suggestions from people who follow all different approaches. It is up to me to sift through them all and make a list of things to audition, approaches to consider, etc.

The first thing is to try to make a diagnosis of the entire system to see where the problem might originate.

If a problem is identified, we should investigate a little to see whether or not the disagnosis is sound. If a solution is offered, we ought to be able to debate whether or not it will solve the problem.

If only cable enthusiasts are allowed to respond, it gives a false impression -- that there is a concensus that cables are the problem and the solution. Since we don't all feel this way, there will be debate.

The controversy isn't going to go away no matter how much we may wish it so.