built-in Xover during active bi-amping.


Does it make a sence to remove built-in crossover from the speaker during active bi-amping(with active crossover)? How these two crossovers interact together if built-in isn't removed?
128x128marakanetz
How's the poetry coming.

Depends a little on what you are doing but the typical bi-amp will only eliminate the bass to mid-high network in the speaker. Generally you retain the passive crossover for the higher frequencies and you by-pass/remove the passive low pass filter. The crossover frequency for the electronic XO should be close to the original.

Not good to leave in as your not really bi-amping if the passive XOs stay in the circuit.

Sincerely, I remain
If your crossover has separately adjustable crossover frequencies like the Bryston, you can probably get away with not removing the crossover although the net effect will not be as good as removing the crossovers, it will preserve the resale value. If not you need to remove the crossover.

If your crossover does have separately adjustable crossover frequencies, you can set the high frequencies to extend below the crossover point and the low frquencies to extend above the crossover point and let the passive crossover filter out the portion of the frequency spectrum above or below it's crossover point. The advantage is that the amplifier channels will no longer see the portion of the signal above or below their crossover points. The disadvantage is that you still have the passive crossover in there sorting out the frequencies around the crossover point.

To answer your question about the effect of leaving both in, think of it in these terms. Let's say you both have an active and a passive crossover which both attenuate the signal at 6 dB per octave (just to make up a number). The passive crossover was designed so that with it's 6 dB per octave the speakers would blend together and give you a flat frequency response. With the two crossovers in the picture you now have a 12 dB per octave rolloff. Looking at the situation from the woofers point of view, originally it was counting on the help of the midrange speaker to produce part of the frequencies below the crossover point. Since these frequencies are being rolled off more quickly that the designer intended, less of those frequencies are being produced by the midrange than required for flat response (assuming it was flat to begin with). The same thing applies in reverse to the upper end. The net result is a reduction of output around the crossover point.

Greg
The answer is definitely system dependent.

I actively bi-amped my B&W800's. I removed the bass low pass filter completely, and rewired my mid/high filter network. The design was done for me by Dan D'Agostino of Krell fame.

YOU SHOULD KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING BEFORE MAKING CHANGES TO A GOOD SPEAKER SYSTEM. I didn't, but Dan D'Agostino did.

Richard
Hi Mar:
I agree with Rich that you have to know what's going on but you do NOT have to be a mod superstar ala D'Agostino or
something to bi-amp your system. Like Rich, typically your low pass passive filter remains.

I'm not certain what system Greg is referring to and I am not familiar with the Bryston unit he talks of but, in any event, I do not see how you can "get away not removing the crossover" for the mid to high frequencies. Getting the passive filters out of the way at that point (between amp and speakers) is the main advantage of bi-amping. Whatever system you have you cannot keep the entire passive XO system in (and working) and get the advantages of bi-amping. There is a good general discussion of bi-amping at Rod Eliot's web site. I suggest you read that Mar. It is a great improvement when done properly.

Rod Eliot's article on bi-amping is @ www.sound.westhost.com/bi-amp.htm

Maybe Sean or some biamp guru will pipe in.

Sincerely, I remain