Thiel or Sonus Faber??...Need help please


i am considering an upgrade from my Thiel 3.5 speakers, i am looking for a sweeter sound and i am considering Sonus Faber Guarneri Homage, but being a monitor speaker im afraid they may not have adequate bass. My system is all analog front end with Basis 2500/Graham 2.2/Koetsu Urushi, CAT ultimate pre and Classe CA-301 all with Carda Golden Cross....any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated! I listen to mostly Jazz and Classic Rock
brunogolf
Yeah, finding a good used pair of Extrema's will be a good thing for you! "There's magic in them there speakers!"
Still, no matter what 2 channel advocates say, you can't get pottentially better bass than what a good ACTIVE WOOFER(S) can give you! The trick is in the skill and knowledge of set up!..to get blend with the mains. If you do it right, it's just like having a full range speaker with ACTIVE WOOFERS!
Good luck
I critically auditioned, side-by-side, a pair of 3.5's against the smaller (and newer) 2.2's at the time I bought my own Thiels five years ago, and in my opinion (which some have taken exception to regarding this subject in previous threads, to be fair), the 3.5's have long since been surpassed in sound quality up and down the Thiel line (guess which pair of the Thiels I bought that day!). Briefly and specifically, the bass is much better integrated, and the rest of the spectrum much smoother and more lifelike, with fewer artifacts and better dynamics everywhere, than was achieved by the 3.5's in their time (although many of the later Thiels were and are admittedly tougher to drive). There are of course many good speakers mentioned above, and lots more others out there, but if you enjoyed your Thiels this long, I would suggest that you not overlook the considerable advancements offered by Thiel models introduced since yours were made.

P.S. - FWIW, I received an email the other day from a fellow Audiogon member (who I shall let remain anonymous unless he decides to join this thread). We had never corresponded before, but having read some of my past posts concerning Thiels, he felt he just had to write to me and tell me about his recent experience. He listed his top-notch system, and mentioned he has owned speakers from ProAc, Avalon, Quad, and Spendor among others. He had just borrowed a pair of the new Thiel CS1.6's from a friend who bought them, and was so blown away by what he heard he could barely contain his enthusiasm. Despite desiring more bass than these little guys can provide in ultimate terms, he seems to be strongly leaning toward buying a pair of these for himself soon. I've heard them at my dealer's, and I don't disagree, though I'll be sticking with my 2.2's for now. Best of luck in your search!
I am that fellow Audiogoner to whom Zaikesman refers. The Thiel 1.6 is extraordinary. It may not be what you are looking for, but I think his suggestion to look at the current Thiel line is an excellent one.

To offer a little perspective on my enthusiasm for the little Thiels, my history with speakers has been not unlike my dating history: I want what I don't have. After two years with the ProAc 2.5's, the resolution, transparency, and greater focus and clarity of the Thiels are a real turn-on (just to keep the analogy going). In the same way, after my failed "relationship" with the Avalon Eclipse, I sought a more forgiving safe harbor and wound up with a pair of Spendors. So I certainly understand why anyone would feel the urge for something completely different from what they currently have.

Back to the 1.6, it is lacking in bass and the treble is tilted up a bit too much for me, but in important ways it is the most musical and satisfying speaker I have had in the house (I haven't had that many, and maybe that's the problem). What I find fascinating is that, even with its bass deficiencies, it is better with rock music than anything else I've had in the house. In fact, it is remarkably adept at handling all kinds of music (which is my taste) and delivering the goods even at low listening volumes (which is my common practice). I haven't yet decided to buy a pair, but I suspect the ProAcs are history.
I have Thiels and a CAT hooked up. But I listen mostly to classical and jazz. I have auditioned the Electa's, Electa Amtors and Extremas. The Extremas are far and away the best of this bunch - but oh that price tag. The SF are definetly in a class by themselves with respect to the richness of the midrange, the smooth but accurate highs and superb imaging. Not much in the bass department though, except for the Extemas. But the Thiels' overall top and bottom end, dead accurate frequency range response and transparency outdid the other SF speakers IMO.

If you go with the Sonus Fabers, you will miss out on what is a Thiel strong point - the initial transient (step) response. This gives a lotta push and pace for jazz and, especially, classic rock. The SF's will "slow down" the pace for rock and jazz, make them sound polite and refined. They will, however, give you that natural warmth, tone and balance that is, IMO, essential in classical instrumental.

EIther way, if you are looking for a "sweeter sound", the 3.6's and the 7.2's will, by far, be a bigger improvement over the 3.5's. You have a not-too-shabby front end there; the newer Thiels will give you much better perfomance with respect to rock and jazz. The SF's will give you a much warmer sound - but I don't know how that will square with rock. I would probably take the 7.2's over any SF speaker.