Room Treatments added, with negative effects..


Hi Folks:
I purchased a set of foam acoustic room treatments and set them up in my listening room. It now seems that the soundstage has collapsed somewhat, and the sound is less ambient, filling the room less. I'm wondering have I overdone the treatments, or placed them incorrectly or maybe I really just didn't need them to begin with. Can anyone offer any advice or thoughts?

I purchased 12 24inch by 24inch panels of ProFoam treatments from Audioadvisor.com which were pretty reasonable at about $150 for the set. I set up four panels behind the speaker position going from left to right at about 20 inches above the floor, and seven panels behind the listening position (three from left to right about 10 inches above the floor and the other four above those from left to right). Side positioning wasn't really possible because I have glass doors on one side and a corridor on the other.

My system is Audio Physic Virgo, Supratek Syrah pre, Blue Circle BC2 monos, Teres 135/OL Silver/Shelter 501mk2 vinyl rig.

I'm keen to hear any comments or advice on how I can improve my use of the room treatments, or whether I just need to scrap them. Thanks!
Outlier.
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Outlier -- that's a good system you have there. Try placing the speakers 60 degrees apart (from listening position) at a position where the Virgo toe-in is b/ween 70-72 degrees (i.e. speakers parallel, facing you, is 90d).
That's (allegedly) the Virgo system testing position. I've tried it in a rectangular room & it's good. Cheers
Hi Folks:
Thanks again for all the additional suggestions. I have the Virgos set up based on Audio Physic recommendations, although not their ultimate preferred position (which is 50% the way into the room), but rather just 25% into the room from the back wall, and 25% away from the side wall (the room is not a dedicated listening room, so I need to compromise a little). I could experiment further with the toeing though. Seating position is almost against the back wall. I'll try the side wall absorbtion suggestion when I get a chance - will need to make the panels though, as there is no wall to attach them to in the appropriate area of the side wall (a corridor on one wall, and a wall of full length windows/ curtains on the other side wall). I guess the idea there would be to minimize side echo/distortions on the sound, allowing the ear to focus on the primary/first sound waves which come directly from the speaker?? Seems reasonable, if that's the logic. I can try and experiment with tube traps later, but my room characteristics make that difficult - the door opens on the far left of the room (preventing the addition of a tube trap there because it would be an obstruction in that corner). Other far corner is bookshelves on either side of the corner (probably good defraction anyway). Near left corner is desk/PC etc, and near right corner is bed. Hence, no good places for tube traps (in corners anyway). Center of ceiling is an overhead fan, so not good for any treatments there, but I guess I could put some before or behind the fan (would absorbtion be of any use there, or would it cause more problems?) Anyway, thanks again for all the great input. Getting the room right is challenging. To answer an earlier question - I don't feel I'm trying to solve any apparent problem with the sound. Rather I just want to get the most out of my room and improve the sound if possible. The sound is absolutely amazing from my perspective - I guess I'm always trying for better though, as I'm sure we all are.
Cheers.
Bombaywalla:
I assure you that I wasn't suggesting that your advice was incorrect in any way. Consider my comments an addendum to yours, in case Outlier wanted to use Tube Traps. I've seen them placed wrongly in many rooms. Even reviewers install them wrong, as when Tom Miiller of TAS had RoomTunes in his room and wrote an article about the designer coming into his room and completely changing their position. Also,in an old issue of TAS, HP averred that the Tube Traps were helpful but that the instructions were not. Moncrieff's article is the best one so far.
Great to know that you have it all figured out Sumitav. Precedence effect notwithstanding, I maintain my position that anyone who does not believe that room acoustics is, to steal a line from our good friends at Ford, Job One, is sadly mistaken. Your initial short post seems to clearly indicate that some people listen to the room and some to the speakers. Hogwash! Any speaker designer who does not take into consideration that a speaker will be used in a room should go back to the drawing board. Insofar as the original post is concerned, clearly the room treatment used does not satisfy Outlier. Many posters have suggested what they consider will improve the situation. Your near field suggestion is valid to a certain extent. Your suggestion that it is a panacea and precludes taking care of room acoustics is another case of throwing out the baby with the bathwater. As far as your Bose comment, I will not dignify it with any of my own, except to say that it has to be cheapest way to get a pop on sites such as these. My last recommendation would be to go with the room placement suggested by the manufacturer. Thinking ahead, properly implemented mc systems should, hopefully, cure many of these collapsed sound staging situations.